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Post by Admin on Nov 2, 2005 7:28:36 GMT -5
Let us know what you think!
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Post by starlord on Nov 2, 2005 8:09:34 GMT -5
this was kick butt from beginning to end. I am really enjoying the creation of this end of the DC2 universe. Excellent job.
brian
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Post by HoM on Nov 2, 2005 13:33:16 GMT -5
I'd like to thanks Hartley for the fantastic cover, and Brian for his kind words.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Nov 3, 2005 15:30:57 GMT -5
Fun story Chuck!
I like the fact that when Bruce is in Batman mode the writing becomes 1st person. I didn’t like when it switched to Clark’s POV, though, because it went from Bruce’s POV to Clark’s without much warning. I was still reading it with Kevin Conroy’s voice in my head (as I do whenever I read any Batman) until the line ‘…seeing Bruce Wayne just leaving through the back.’ As I read the lines prior to that I thought that Bruce was just overhearing what Lois & Clark were saying. Maybe I should have noticed sooner, but I didn’t.
I liked Metallo’s introduction… very different.
Alfred & Bruce’s reparte is… odd… fun, but odd. I get the feeling they are more friends than employer/employee of father/son. It’s a different take on it & one that I’ll need to get used to. Bruce seems even playful. My thought behind this (and correct me if I’m wrong) is that we’re seeing a much younger Bruce (in the vein of the current ‘The Batman’ cartoon) and whatever happens to Robin & Batgirl that’s been hinted at in Detective, Teen Titans & The Outsiders, in the 6 years after this tale, is what makes him the harder edged Batman.
All in all, this was fun. Can’t wait to see Batman confront Lex. That was pretty stupid of Lex to shoot something at the plane personally… you’d think he’d hire someoone to do that for him!
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Post by HoM on Nov 3, 2005 16:02:59 GMT -5
I have a weird writing style, so yeah, sometimes I do change perspectives and points of views with little or no warning... Sorry about that. But when I hand in my stories, the different POVs are in italics, and theres never two italic (first person) POVs straight after the other, so no offense to Mr Charlton, but it's his fault! I intend to harden Bruce's character a bit before my big #25, which'll be chocabloc full of cameos and revelations (i know its a long way off, but I have it plotted and planned, and its a... erhem... *corker*... so you'll have to wait and see what happens!)
Metallo is being used differently sure, but it all links into future stuff, so don't worry if people were planning on using the character *six years later* because I won't be changing things too drastically.
I love Alfred as a character, especially the sarcastic, ironic british gentleman. He's Bruce's foil, the guy who points out the flaws in his plans, and someone who is just constantly there, more of a crime fighter than Robin in his own right.
(But I hate using Robin, so you won't be seeing him for a heck of a long time.)
Now I want to say something about future issues, so take a breath, I may be a while.
"Worlds Finest?" was a spur of the moment arc, something that would link together our two icons (don't worry Wonder Woman, we have a plan for you too!)... So after #2, things shift back a while, a couple of months, maybe a year, and we get back to basics with some origin stylie antics. This is where "six years prior" kicks in, so you'll see some kick ass stuff that will rock your socks! For continuity's sake, #0,#1 and #2 chronologically appear before #11, and are a prologue of sorts to that story. See "A Date With Death" (#13) for a follow up to "Worlds Finest?" and some identity crisis fun.
The best is yet to come, so stay on board, and enjoy the ride!
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2005 18:30:28 GMT -5
As Charlie said, he has a unique writing style (though I think he called it "weird", which works, too), and in my effort to impose some editorial clarity upon the mix of POV, tense and format, I only added to the confusion! In the future, I will avoid doing this, and let the story stand on its own (which it can, quite admirably!). Sorry, folks!
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Post by Lantern Lad on Nov 3, 2005 19:41:08 GMT -5
No worries folks, and as a whole that was the only spot where I was lost... However Chuck's info on future issues was as clear as mud, so I will, indeed, hang on for the ride & hold onto my socks!
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Nov 3, 2005 23:09:52 GMT -5
It's good, but I feel like it's losing cohesion -- we're bouncing all over the place, rushing through some scenes. I liked you sneaking in "Captain Savage" (what, no airline jobs in Opal City? ). I'll stick with it, though.
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Post by Brandon on Nov 4, 2005 10:16:06 GMT -5
A very enjoyable read, Charlie! I agree with whoever compared it to the new Batman cartoon. A younger, less stoic Batman is refreshing to read. I really liked the bit where he did a Sherlock Holmes on Lois, reading her personality and motives. I understand the timeline you put forth here but we've already talked about it so I have an advantage. Again, lots of great moments here and lots of fun. You keep writing them and I'll keep reading them!
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Post by Romans Empire on Nov 27, 2005 18:59:56 GMT -5
Not a bad issue. I like seeing Batman a little unsure of himself when faced with confronting Superman the first time. It sounds like you have a long planned out and fully engrossing story planned. Look forward to reading more.
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Post by theredhood40 on Jan 19, 2006 15:21:36 GMT -5
"Brokeback Metropolis"
Did anyone else think the meeting b/w Superman and Bruce Wayne was rather intensely homoerotic? "Call me Bruce..."
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
I also thought the Bruce/Alfred relationship was quite bizarre. Personally, I prefer a strictly professional relationship. Alfred is NOT his father, he is his employee. This chipper, wisecracking Batman is a bit tough to handle, especially during the near-plane crash. I'm also of the school that believes Superman and Batman wouldn't be best friends, so that was a bit tough to deal with too.
I've been reading some of these DC2 fanfiction and I must say, your universe is awfully bright-and-sunny and safe. I think the danger is that the fans writing love the characters so much there is a fear or a dislike of putting any grit on them or causing too much trouble for them, despite the fact that conflict and problems are vital to this type of storytelling.
Just my two cents...
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 19, 2006 15:45:29 GMT -5
oOOOOOHHHHH the red hood, you may like detective comics come issue 6...
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Post by HoM on Jan 19, 2006 15:47:50 GMT -5
"Brokeback Metropolis" Did anyone else think the meeting b/w Superman and Bruce Wayne was rather intensely homoerotic? "Call me Bruce..." Not that there's anything wrong with that... I also thought the Bruce/Alfred relationship was quite bizarre. Personally, I prefer a strictly professional relationship. Alfred is NOT his father, he is his employee. This chipper, wisecracking Batman is a bit tough to handle, especially during the near-plane crash. I'm also of the school that believes Superman and Batman wouldn't be best friends, so that was a bit tough to deal with too. I've been reading some of these DC2 fanfiction and I must say, your universe is awfully bright-and-sunny and safe. I think the danger is that the fans writing love the characters so much there is a fear or a dislike of putting any grit on them or causing too much trouble for them, despite the fact that conflict and problems are vital to this type of storytelling. Just my two cents... Alfred is Bruce's legal guardian. Sorry about that. Don't get the wrong idea about my writing! I hate Batman! I hate him so much I want to write him into sunny situations that he can get out of! Hmm. If I didn't like the character I wouldn't write him. I know about the character, and I know about where in our continuity he is. He hasn't met The Joker [yet]. His first big rogue is The Riddler (check out the latest issue!) and even then... If you want a scary dark Batman, check out Detective Comics, our modern, not chirpy fun version. If mines Adam West, theirs is Val Kilmer! I'm sorry my writing isn't up to par for your tastes. I try, and it's nice that you share your opinion on it. And OH MY GAWWWWD you are such a homophobe.
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Post by HoM on Jan 19, 2006 15:50:52 GMT -5
Oh! And if you want to continue to read my books (ha!), check out The Flash and The Question Quarterly! And also Tales of the Green Lantern special
I want to know what you think.
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 19, 2006 16:01:59 GMT -5
i don't think tec is a val kilmer...
Theredhood, what my pal is trying to say is that this is the early adventures of batman before he becomes the demented old sociopath that we all know and love. We can take creative liberty on him because it is the universe we have "built" up. Consider this the calm before the storm. I don't know if you realize this or not, but the first arc or so is actually SIX YEARS PRIOR! Six years before bats has really been put through the ringer, so forgive chuck if he doesnt present him as a tormented soul, the guy isn't tormented YET. As for them being eh.... flamboyant, i don't see it, but the comics version has gotten WAAY worse. While we respect your opinion, you have to understand that this is a few fans trying their best to write the entire universe as they imagine it could be and if we are off the mark sometimes, it's understandable. But come on? "Brokeback Metropolis"? Tired. Hopefully we do something you DO like but if not, it's good to know where you stand.
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Post by theredhood40 on Jan 19, 2006 17:43:43 GMT -5
Theredhood, what my pal is trying to say is that this is the early adventures of batman before he becomes the demented old sociopath that we all know and love. We can take creative liberty on him because it is the universe we have "built" up. Consider this the calm before the storm. I don't know if you realize this or not, but the first arc or so is actually SIX YEARS PRIOR! Six years before bats has really been put through the ringer, so forgive chuck if he doesnt present him as a tormented soul, the guy isn't tormented YET. As for them being eh.... flamboyant, i don't see it, but the comics version has gotten WAAY worse. While we respect your opinion, you have to understand that this is a few fans trying their best to write the entire universe as they imagine it could be and if we are off the mark sometimes, it's understandable. But come on? "Brokeback Metropolis"? Tired. Hopefully we do something you DO like but if not, it's good to know where you stand.
haha, well "Brokeback Metropolis" was just a joke...
first of all, i will say that one thing i do like about this site is the overwhelming positivity & goodwill b/w the members, which is quite refreshing coming from the regular DC boards--tho it sorta seems like most of the posters know each and are friends.
i'm certainly not trying to rain on anyone's parade or be rude, but...
i was giving honest opinions. i think this is interesting: i've never read fanfiction before. the concept of the site intrigues me, tho there are some things i think may be misdirected energy. i'm a grad student in english, working towards becoming a professor and literary critic...i also have very specific visions of these characters that i've been reading since childhood, which i will of course defend. i think my "love" comment still applies. i, indeed, love the batman character...but the most important thing is to be HONEST about who he is. there are many fans, whether its in their reaction to stories or writing stories, are so enamored with the character that their vision becomes obscured. its like you've got a girl/boyfriend that treats you like crap and everyone can see it but you. i think thats a real danger and concern.
i'll continue poking around here and reading during free time, but i will give my honest reaction. i'm a GTA and am accustomed to giving critiques on writing: hopefully its used to challenge and improve, tho i also recognize the importance of positive reinforcement. so here's one thing so i dont come off TOO negative: you guys write great ad copy promoting your stories...very professional.
as for the gay stuff: trust me, i'm not a homophobe it was just a joke. i'm sorry, but the whole batman/superman encounter seemed like "love at first sight" to me. funny thing is, as i was reading it, i couldnt help but start wishing thats the direction you'd go. i mean, you've got free reign, so why not? even if thats not something you're interested in (which i doubt it would be) i also think this site would be a great vehicle to explore the homoeroticism of batman, something thats long been there but DC is leery/afraid to address in any real capacity.
ps you do mean that alfred WAS his legal guardian, correct? i get that this origin story is "six years earlier" and all, but surely he's not 17? and i certainly don't like that, but please please please don't have bruce going around calling alfred "dad."
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Post by starlord on Jan 19, 2006 18:15:36 GMT -5
Thanks for more insite into your background and who you are. It sounds like you have been on the boards before and I am curious on what all you have read? The only thing I would like to comment on is your acknowledgment of the positive way things are handled here. I'm glad you noticed that. I'm not sure how many were friends when this was created, but I do know that without a doubt, everyone on this site can make you feel like an old friend in no time at all. I've really only been on here a short time and look forward to "hooking up" with these comrades every day. They are very positive and friendly people, as well as very passionate of the art form that they do. And for that alone this site stands far above and beyond anything else that is out there. So welcome to the DCU2 and if you get a chance to read the New Outsiders (my first issue drops next week) I would be very interested in what you think. Peace
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2006 18:32:51 GMT -5
Like GLantern133, I'd like to thank theredhood for his honest feedback, and for his observation that we really do try to cultivate a positive atmosphere here at the DC2--- and the amazing thing is, we are as diverse a bunch of people as you've ever met, scattered across the US and indeed, the whole world. We weren't friends when we started this enterprise (just a bunch of like-minded acquaintences, migrating from different boards, including the infamous DCMBs), but we certainly are now--- and we look forward to finding more!
I hope you give us a deeper look than just these two titles (of which I am very proud), and let us know your opinion of the DC2 as a homogenous piece of work.
And while I graciously concede that we invite criticism by posting our fanfiction, I would remind any reader that (unlike the writers at DC who get paid for this), we do all of this on our own time, and for our own enjoyment, encouraging others to do the same, but are in no way responsible to any interpretation of these characters that is not our own (and while I've never been to Brokeback Mountain, I am a "bright and shiny" individual that likes his superheroes, um, heroic--- though there is a place for the grim and gritty, as well). But that's the beauty of the DC2! If you'd like to promote your vision of Batman or Superman (though I'd prefer not to send them to Brokeback Mountain, either), then, well, we would love to have you submit a proposal to write an arc!
Thanks again, theredhood, and we hope to see you around for a while!
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Post by themanwithoutaname on Jan 23, 2006 22:58:36 GMT -5
;DBloody brilliant issue...Great writing! The cover art for issue one was fantastic. -B
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Post by HoM on Jan 24, 2006 3:09:03 GMT -5
Just because Alfred is Bruce's legal guardian, doesn't mean that Bruce goes around calling him pops or whatever. Thomas Wayne will always be his dad, and Alfred will forever be his trusted butler who raised him from the age of eight. Bruce/Batman is 24 in this book, and 30 in the others. Hope that helps!
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Post by HoM on Jan 24, 2006 11:21:47 GMT -5
Ah, I only just saw this too: "i also think this site would be a great vehicle to explore the homoeroticism of batman, something thats long been there but DC is leery/afraid to address in any real capacity." Nuh uh, dude, Batman isn't gay, he was engaged before Detective Comics, and too find out what happened... Read Detective Comics #0-2 and Nightwing #1, coming out tomorrow!
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Post by Ficto on Aug 23, 2006 10:42:46 GMT -5
Cool story, the Batman-Metropolis Crossover was great, and excellent cover.
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Post by SympleSymon on Dec 7, 2009 22:18:57 GMT -5
Really loved this issue - sure a lot happens, but when you put Bats an Supes in the same issue what else do you expect? My favourite scenes were the creation an 'birth' of this Metallo. Dunno why exactly...maybe I'll just always be a hopeless horror fiend
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Post by HoM on Dec 10, 2009 7:06:20 GMT -5
Really loved this issue - sure a lot happens, but when you put Bats an Supes in the same issue what else do you expect? My favourite scenes were the creation an 'birth' of this Metallo. Dunno why exactly...maybe I'll just always be a hopeless horror fiend We've got two Metallos in the DC2, this version and a more classic version, but the two are due for a meet-up, like I've mentioned earlier. It was really fun being on the ground floor of the DC2 and also being so damn naive-- it allowed me (and I think others) to do crazy things with characters that we wouldn't do now. Metallo, Cluemaster/Riddler being just some. Well. Huh. Looks like it was only me. Yipes.
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