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Post by dragonbat on Oct 16, 2007 6:28:18 GMT -5
Please tell us what you think!
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Post by lissilambe on Oct 16, 2007 18:05:31 GMT -5
A solid ending to the tale, though it wasn't quite the hit the previous issue was for me. I'm not sure why though. Some of the writing and characters seemed a bit stiff, though the action sequences were good enough for sure. It was nice to see Nocturna and Night-Thief running around, little seen Bat rogues that I wish would get more play (especially Nocturna), though she especially seemed to be "just another villainess", and that left me a bit disappointed. But a good showing overall, and as I said a solid ending to this story, and it was definitely nice to see a definite end to a tale and some happiness in a hero's life to reward him at the end.  Take care Don |
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Post by starlord on Oct 17, 2007 6:29:06 GMT -5
A great conclusion to the story. You covered all your bases and wrapped up everything nice and tight. Great job! Nightwing has been a competant and enjoyable character in your hands, and that's been much more pleasant than what we've received over at DC for a long time. (Marv not quite included in that). So congrats!
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Post by batkid on Oct 17, 2007 18:12:02 GMT -5
Thanks Don, Brian! I like writing Nocturna and Night-Thief. It's like Arcalian said once... 'They're fun villains. Not we're evil mu-ha-ha villains, but also not too sympathetic. They enjoy their lifestyle without guilt or remorse; rich kids born to a criminal daddy and deciding to become thrill seekers with style.' Sometimes the villains are more fun to write than anybody else  I actually had killed Jake, but had to UNkill him once my family found out... apparently, they like Jake... :-\ ANYways, thanks, guys! |
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Post by arcalian on Oct 17, 2007 21:25:06 GMT -5
Well I'm glad your family changed your mind! They got your story 5 stars from me!
Yes, villains are fun to write, ain't they?
I wonder if Dick's secret identity troubles are over, though.....
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Post by HoM on Oct 19, 2007 10:24:30 GMT -5
Intense!
I was really surprised when NIGHTWING of all people, adopted son of BATMAN, held a gang at bay with a GUN! The image of Dick holding the weapon was a strong one indeed, reminiscent of the depowered Cyclops on the final page of Astonishing X-Men #17... "...I don't have any claws."
Scary.
I thought the ending was very... Eh... I don't know. Reminds me of those TV shows that end with the entire cast laughing at a really bad joke and then the camera freeze framing on the main characters smiling visage.
I liked it, all in all, and that cover from Ramon was very nice, though I would have preferred an armed Nightwing, to represent that awesome visual in the book. Well done Im! I'll be back... If you are... Next month!
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Post by David on Oct 19, 2007 10:33:30 GMT -5
I was really surprised when NIGHTWING of all people, adopted son of BATMAN... Nightwing is not "Batman's adopted son!" Dick Grayson (much like Bruce Wayne!) had two perfectly good parents! They died, it was sad. Dick became Bruce's ward and partner (or sidekick, if you will). Nightwing will never be viewed as anything more than Batman-junior as long as this interpretation is in vogue! (Sorry! Dunno what got into me there  !) |
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Post by dragonbat on Oct 19, 2007 11:16:40 GMT -5
Dave, we're gonna agree to disagree on that one. I don't mind the 'family' aspect so long as it's kept in perspective.
In the eyes of the underworld, Robin is often thought to be Batman's son. After all, what other parent would let their kid do anything that dangerous. NW, however, is a bit iffier. Someone who remembers that Robin used to lead the TT and all of a sudden, the leader is this "Nightwing" character... who's about the same height, and build... and seems to have the same coloring... and that Robin hasn't been seen since... might suspect. But so far, I don't think very many people are aware that NW and Bats have a relationship beyond 'joining forces to defeat the badguys when called for'.
That being said, Imari, it's a good solid ending to a strong storyline! Looking forward to what you come up with next month.
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Post by HoM on Oct 19, 2007 15:21:14 GMT -5
I was really surprised when NIGHTWING of all people, adopted son of BATMAN... Nightwing is not "Batman's adopted son!" Honestly Dave, that's your opinion! Your interpretation! Not everyone else's! Thing is, I might have agreed with you, say, twenty odd years ago. Back when Batman's descent into arrogant madness hadn't started. Back when Frank Miller wrote the "soldier in a war" situation perfectly in Year One. But now it's a joke. Him being the general of his own little army? It's really a joke now. I prefer the family view, like you prefer the army view. Nothing wrong with that, just differing opinions! |
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Post by David on Oct 19, 2007 19:08:34 GMT -5
Arghhh! Nightwing is not "Batman's adopted son!" Honestly Dave, that's your opinion! Your interpretation! Not everyone else's! That's not my intrepretation, that's the established history. Dick Grayson had two parents that raised him (at least until he was 8); they were killed, and Bruce Wayne was given legal custody and raised the boy as his ward. He was not Dick's father, nor did he adopt him. Now, I'm no Bat-historian, but I don't think those facts are in dispute. Agreed  ! But for the record, I don't necessarily prefer the "Batman as General" approach, either--- I just prefer it over the "Batman as Fred MacMurray" approach. ;D |
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Post by arcalian on Oct 19, 2007 20:05:54 GMT -5
I think the stumbling block here is what mental image comes to mind when the word "family" is used. I don't think any of us view Batman as some jovial patriarch of a happy familial brood. But certainly Bruce is very much a father figure to Dick and Tim (and was to Jason before everything went wrong). Certainly he stepped into that role for Dick after his parents were killed, and Timothy...his parents were absentees of the first order until the Obeah Man incident, at the very least.
We're not talking about a traditional "happy" nuclear family here. But it is more a family than anything else.
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Post by dragonbat on Oct 20, 2007 19:12:54 GMT -5
Also, DCU history, Bruce DID adopt Dick in Gotham Knights #20. (Yeah, I know this it DC2. Just sayin'!)
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Post by batkid on Oct 21, 2007 14:31:33 GMT -5
I think my view on the Bat-family was apparent from like what, the very first one I wrote... Black Friday Blues. I tend to think of them as, well, a family. Maybe Bats didn't take NW to Little League games and all, but I do think that they have a great relationship, and when you bring in Alfred, Babs, and the gang... well, that just makes it even better. Yeah, my family begged and begged for Jake's life... so of course there was nothing to do except write him back to life... And I liked the scene with NW and the gun! Perhaps not typical Nightwing M.O., but kewl. Thanks, guys! |
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Post by HoM on Oct 27, 2007 7:56:57 GMT -5
One thing though, Imara Imari... As a writer, I believe that you should never alter your vision of a story unless it's for a real reason. It's like what Rorschach says in Watchmen: "No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. Never compromise." A story is your vision, your world, and you shouldn't change it for anyone but yourself. But still, an amazing finale!
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Post by batkid on Oct 27, 2007 16:41:39 GMT -5
Thanks, Charlie! And thanks for taking the time to come back and give me advice, your opinion, etc. nearly every month. I appreciate it! Oh. BTW. I-m-a-r-I. |
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Post by HoM on Oct 27, 2007 17:24:57 GMT -5
Sorry!!! I knew I was taking a major risk spelling it without checking first  |
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Post by batkid on Oct 30, 2007 14:17:38 GMT -5
Haha
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Post by batkid on Nov 4, 2007 16:01:05 GMT -5
Okay, guys. Confession. It's only fair. Some of you, heck, ALL of you might have guessed already, but I'll say it anyways....
I've never in my whole life read a single Nightwing comic book. :-P
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