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Post by HoM on Apr 20, 2008 9:18:46 GMT -5
Ramon Ramon Ramon Ramon! Click here!Thoughts?
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 20, 2008 15:48:23 GMT -5
Oh. My. God.
Yeah, I'm soooo gonna see that.
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Post by Brandon on Jun 1, 2008 20:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by HoM on Jun 2, 2008 5:25:05 GMT -5
He didn't do his research... The film isn't going to be in black and white
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Post by David on Jun 2, 2008 6:10:03 GMT -5
I read the other day where Miller made the call personally to change the Spirit's trademark blue suit to black--- for "aesthetic" reasons, and surely not to pursue an agenda of grim moral grayness and cloak-snapping ultra-violence... Miller's got, like, two tricks in his bag (sorry Ramon and Grant)--- and he's good at those, but he's not right for the Spirit!
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Post by Brandon on Jun 2, 2008 7:37:58 GMT -5
He didn't do his research... The film isn't going to be in black and white Unless you are joking, he didn't say it was going to be. He was referring to Miller's approach to storytelling. And only has it been recently confirmed that the film is indeed in color. ALL the marketing so far has presented this as aesthetically mirroring Sin City. That is a big mistake I think. David, Miller has recently claimed that he believes that Eisner's original intent had probably been to make the suit black, but due to the limitations of the four-color printing he had to make it blue instead... like say comparable to the highlights in Superman's hair. Which I just do not buy at all. Never at any point have I seen the Spirit's suit presented in that way by Eisner. It was blue, pure and simple. Miller claims that he is trying to stay true to the, eh, spirit of Eisner's character but when the tagline for the film so far is "my city screams", how can we possibly believe that. That's the kind of dialogue that Eisner would parody on occasion in the strip.
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Post by brigante133 on Jun 2, 2008 21:19:57 GMT -5
Okay Brandon, would you deny that the black and red tie isn't as cool as the traditional blue suit and red tie? I mean really, if you chose between the two today, you would not go with the blue. This isn't supposed to be what Darwyn Cooke did and go all nostalgia mad (which could be argued is one of Cooke's only tricks David) but he wanted to do reinvent him for a modern audience and as much as it probably bothers some of the hardcore comic book fans, that audience is not them. This is what miller said in that production blog, "...It is an extension of what I know to have been Eisner's central intent: to create something new, witty, and exploratory. That's what he did. That's what I'm doing." And from the looks of it, that's what he's doing.
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Post by lissilambe on Jun 2, 2008 21:24:27 GMT -5
I personally want to see Will Eisner's "the Spirit". Very little excited me as much as hearing the Spirit was going to the big screen (Watchmen and Shadow were the only contenders). Frank Miller being named director shot my hopes right down. The trailer...well, the guy's blog sums up my feelings too.
So maybe you're right, Ramon. Maybe this is what modern audiences want. Not "the Spirit", but rather "Frank Miller's Spirit-Derivative in Sin City", but it's not what I want. I expect little from the movie, and may not even go see it now.
And no, the red tie didn't look cool to me. Very little about the trailer made me interested.
Take care Don
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Post by brigante133 on Jun 2, 2008 21:29:59 GMT -5
Yeah Don, but as far as I can tell you have really old fashioned and bad taste so I'd say if you don't like it, that's a positive thing.
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Post by Brandon on Jun 3, 2008 7:53:32 GMT -5
Wouldn't a dark blue have worked just fine? But the color of the suit is really a minor point. Nobody's asking for Dick Tracy here. It is symbolic however of what Miller is doing to The Spirit. When his work is adapted it has been very faithful to his vision, but when he is given the opportunity to do the same... he is only faithful to his vision. And it's not just any ol' comic character either. He is "reinterpreting" the comic strip by which all other comic work is measured and the creator of which who is widely regarded as THE master of the form. Is Miller not confident enough in his directorial ability to bring that creator's vision to life?
This "city is my lover" mess? Seriously. I read someone compare Denny Colt to an urban Indiana Jones once and thought that was spot on. So to make a fair comparison, would it have seemed right to have Blade Runner-type voice overs in Raiders of the Lost Ark? And with the Octopus, I concede that it would have been next to impossible to use the character without showing him in the film, but from the photos shown we've gone from a villain who is deftly proficient at disguise and subterfuge, to a supervillain so flamboyant that he looks like he either just walked out of Austin Powers or The Matrix. I really can't decide which.
I really hope I'm wrong and by some freak chance this movie works, but I guess we'll see.
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Post by HoM on Jul 20, 2008 6:58:05 GMT -5
See, I like it. I love the look of it. It really does feel like a comic book movie, as opposed to an adaption. I have faith in Frank Miller to deliver, and I'm just loving the guy who plays The Spirit himself. Anyways, TRAILER.
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Post by impulseallen on Jul 20, 2008 9:35:40 GMT -5
With me, this is a totally different case. I never read the Spirit. But I did see the trailer when I saw the Dark Knight. So for me, I have to look at it just as a movie-goer and all I gotta say is, it looks like it's visually beautiful(Frank Miller's choice to make it like Sin City) but I just kind of choked on my popcorn when I saw Samuel L. But this could just be the previews. Like I said I know little to nothing about the Spirit. So I don't really have an opinion yet but just as someone who's new to the Spirit, it looks decent to me...but not great.
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Post by chris on Jul 20, 2008 11:22:23 GMT -5
It looks okay, but personally I am so done with Samuel Jackson. There are a few actors who I have reached my limit with. It's like they have doen previous roles so well that they are just the same guy everytime out. Nicholson and Morgan Freeman are the same way to me. Just the same guy no matter what the part is.
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Post by brigante133 on Jul 20, 2008 16:54:25 GMT -5
He didn't direct 300 and he only co-directed Sin City. Just because he's using someone else's material for this, his second (or first movie considering if you count a codirecting credit) movie, doesn't mean he should totally change his aesthetic. That's like learning how to swim in the deep end.
I honestly doubt we'd be seeing a Spirit movie at all if Frank Miller didn't want to get this done.
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Post by Brandon on Jul 20, 2008 21:16:19 GMT -5
I like this movie less the more I see of it. Underwhelmed seeing the new trailer before TDK. It just looked a little ridiculous, and it doesn't say much to me that the big trailer now just screams "hey, look at all the hot chicks we got in this!"
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Post by impulseallen on Jul 20, 2008 23:13:24 GMT -5
I like this movie less the more I see of it. Underwhelmed seeing the new trailer before TDK. It just looked a little ridiculous, and it doesn't say much to me that the big trailer now just screams "hey, look at all the hot chicks we got in this!" Exactly. I was thinking the same thing when I saw the trailer before the Dark Knight.
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Post by Brandon on Jul 21, 2008 8:08:03 GMT -5
After seeing what he's done with the Octopus, I'm just really thankful he didn't try to "update" Ebony White.
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Post by brigante133 on Jul 21, 2008 8:33:39 GMT -5
why is that brandon?
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Post by Brandon on Jul 21, 2008 10:19:50 GMT -5
I'm guessing Ebony would have been changed to a wise-crackin' girl with a slingshot.
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Post by brigante133 on Jul 21, 2008 14:34:01 GMT -5
I'm guessing Ebony would have been changed to a wise-crackin' girl with a slingshot. Oh, I had no idea you were against female empowerment.
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Post by Romans Empire on Jul 21, 2008 20:56:50 GMT -5
I like this movie less the more I see of it. Underwhelmed seeing the new trailer before TDK. It just looked a little ridiculous, and it doesn't say much to me that the big trailer now just screams "hey, look at all the hot chicks we got in this!" Here I was thinking, "Hey, at least there are hot chicks in it!" That would be like saying, "hey if Tim Burton wasn't interested (and later Schumacher) then Batman would never have been made." It's no longer 1989 kids or *shudder* 1997. Thank God.
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Post by brigante133 on Jul 21, 2008 21:51:15 GMT -5
OH yeah, because the Spirit is as popular in mainstream culture as Batman is... It's not like saying that at all John.
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Post by Romans Empire on Jul 21, 2008 21:59:42 GMT -5
OH yeah, because the Spirit is as popular in mainstream culture as Batman is... It's not like saying that at all John. Maybe not. But are you saying that because the Spirit isn't as well know to the outside world, that no one will know the difference?
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Post by Brandon on Jul 21, 2008 22:27:23 GMT -5
I'm guessing Ebony would have been changed to a wise-crackin' girl with a slingshot. Oh, I had no idea you were against female empowerment. No, I've against once-great comic creators hacking out all their work and get praised for it.
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Post by Brandon on Jul 21, 2008 22:28:11 GMT -5
I like this movie less the more I see of it. Underwhelmed seeing the new trailer before TDK. It just looked a little ridiculous, and it doesn't say much to me that the big trailer now just screams "hey, look at all the hot chicks we got in this!" Here I was thinking, "Hey, at least there are hot chicks in it!" At this point it may actually be the one saving grace of the project. I guess we'll see.
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Post by brigante133 on Jul 21, 2008 22:41:35 GMT -5
OH yeah, because the Spirit is as popular in mainstream culture as Batman is... It's not like saying that at all John. Maybe not. But are you saying that because the Spirit isn't as well know to the outside world, that no one will know the difference? What the hell does that have to do with the initial point that if not for Frank Miller's wanting to do the Spirit it might not even be being made into a movie? That's funny considering he is in the position to do what he wants these days because his comics sell like crazy despite what internet fanboys think of them. It's also funny that you made a reference to Carrie Kelly as if the lowest point in his career was Dark Knight Returns.
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Post by Romans Empire on Jul 21, 2008 23:38:23 GMT -5
Damn...ok, here it is spelled out for you....
Saying that Frank Miller is the only reason The Spirit would ever get made is like back in 1989 when everyone thought Tim Burton's Batman was the best. I heard it said that his vision of the character will finally give it (and the comic book medium) the respect it deserves.
Now flash-forward to today. The Dark Knight is king of the heap and the thought of that idiot Burton being considered a genius is fianlly dead and in the ground.
So....
Who cares if Frank Miller is selling poop out of his toilet. It doesn't mean that he is the best man for the job. Again I will say with Miller what I believe with Burton, stick to your own stuff because when you force yourself on to other creations the end result is lacking. I blame Hollywood more then Miller because all they see is dollar signs. Sad.
I am not a Miller hater by any means, but the respect I have for Eisner and his greatest creation makes me cringe for what he has done to the character. To be fair this assesment is based only on the preview. I might be wrong but some how I doubt it.
Maybe you are right, if it wasn't for him, the movie may not get made right now. So what. I can wait and maybe a few others would have been willing to wait as well.
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Post by Brandon on Jul 22, 2008 8:29:01 GMT -5
Well, thanks for lumping me into the category of "internet fanboys" but I'll wear that title without shame. I am on the internets, I am a fan, and contrary to what you may have heard I do in fact have boy parts. Besides, "fanboys" is so passe. Next time time try "babymen". I reference Carrie Kelly because yes I do believe he's been riding off the reputation of his earlier work. To me personally, everything he does now is a caricature of what he used to be capable of producing. I'm also with John on that I have no problem with Frank Miller being Frank Miller and doing his manly man noir schtick for the rest of his days if that's what makes him money and makes his fans happy. But why not do it to his own characters? If The Spirit is being sold on Frank's name and style, why even use Eisner's work to begin with?
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Post by Mr Clown on Jul 24, 2008 16:28:57 GMT -5
I've always been interested in The Spirit but I haven't actually had time to read up on him or anything. He seems like an interesting character though.
When I saw that trailer I thought it looked interesting, but I'm not expecting anything major coming out of the film to be honest. And personally, I don't like the black trench coat. Not because of Spirit originally having a blue one,(Don't really care that he does wear blue in comics) but just because it looks to generic. I'll hold off on passing any major criticisms though.
And why does it matter that it's Frank Miller that's making this movie? I mean if it was another directors debut movie would you already be condemning the movie like this?
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Post by Brandon on Jul 25, 2008 12:52:28 GMT -5
Misty has only a basic idea of who either Frank Miller or The Spirit are, so this is how our conversation in the theater went when the trailer came on...
"This looks like it's trying to be like Sin City."
"Frank Miller's doing it."
"Oh, okay."
*short pause*
"Couldn't they afford to get him a better mask?"
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