impulseallen
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Post by impulseallen on Jul 24, 2008 23:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by Brandon on Jul 25, 2008 1:29:10 GMT -5
I didn't see a "I wet myself" option so I just voted for "Incredibly Happy" instead.
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Post by Merai on Jul 25, 2008 5:21:04 GMT -5
YES!
YYEEEESSSS!
YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Post by HoM on Jul 25, 2008 7:52:56 GMT -5
Clean yourself up, Kevin.
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Post by Romans Empire on Jul 25, 2008 11:19:49 GMT -5
I have always been a bigger Wally West fan then any other character ever in the DC universe. I am scared for my boy, but damn I can't wait to read this book!
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impulseallen
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Post by impulseallen on Jul 25, 2008 12:16:16 GMT -5
I have always been a bigger Wally West fan then any other character ever in the DC universe. I am scared for my boy, but damn I can't wait to read this book! Yeah Wally rules too. I hope none of them leave. Let's just bring back Bart too then we'll have all four Flashes. Wouldn't that be an awesome splash page? The four flashes lined up shoulder to shoulder, ready to run. That'd be awesome!(prays for that to happen in Final Crisis) |
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Post by Brandon on Jul 25, 2008 12:45:34 GMT -5
They've made it sound like all the Flashes will be included for now. Johns is a huge Flash fan and more about making what's in place work instead of trying to remove elements so I'd guess Wally and family will be okay.
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Post by Mischief on Jul 25, 2008 13:30:31 GMT -5
I put 'I DON'T CARE' I never read any 'silver age' Flash stories. So I have no connection to the character. When I finally bought the collected edition of Crisis in Infinite Earths, noble sacifice, but it only delayed Anti-Monitor. Now fast forward to Identity Crisis, I liked the idea that Barry Allen was the one that tipped the scale in favor of mind-wiping Dr. Light, but mainly who he did it for. I knew Wally has the Flash, through the JLA comics that Grant Morrison wrote. And more recently, through the cartoon. Pass all of that crap...I hate resurrection of characters...period. Dead is dead. Jason Todd & Bucky, I thought they were always going to remain dead. Wrong there. Magneto got his head chopped of. But that was explained as being X'orn. Aunt May is another one. And don't get me started on that ONE MORE DAY B.S. But I guess the order of the day is raised the dead.  So their sacifrices are meanless. Let the hanging begin. Mischief |
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Post by impulseallen on Jul 25, 2008 14:08:39 GMT -5
I put 'I DON'T CARE' I never read any 'silver age' Flash stories. So I have no connection to the character. When I finally bought the collected edition of Crisis in Infinite Earths, noble sacifice, but it only delayed Anti-Monitor. Now fast forward to Identity Crisis, I liked the idea that Barry Allen was the one that tipped the scale in favor of mind-wiping Dr. Light, but mainly who he did it for. I knew Wally has the Flash, through the JLA comics that Grant Morrison wrote. And more recently, through the cartoon. Pass all of that crap...I hate resurrection of characters...period. Dead is dead. Jason Todd & Bucky, I thought they were always going to remain dead. Wrong there. Magneto got his head chopped of. But that was explained as being X'orn. Aunt May is another one. And don't get me started on that ONE MORE DAY B.S. But I guess the order of the day is raised the dead. So their sacifrices are meanless. Let the hanging begin. Mischief I usually agree with that completely. I mean I like Jason Todd right now but I do feel that his ressurection took away from Death in a Family which really had a large impact on Batman and how he has evolved and even how he treated Tim at first. But I really want to see what Johns can do with Barry. |
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Post by David on Jul 25, 2008 19:18:24 GMT -5
Don't know how I missed this (well, I do: been really busy), but I just gotta say that this is going to be awesome--- and will get me to buy Flash comics again.
Good move, DC!
(Now let's have Aquaman: Rebirth)
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Post by zirron on Jul 25, 2008 19:31:25 GMT -5
Good move, DC! (Now let's have Aquaman: Rebirth) Dave, your brilliant. Anyone agree? lol yeah I do hope they do this... I really miss the REAL Aquaman. |
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Post by starlord on Jul 26, 2008 0:26:11 GMT -5
almost voted half and half but that's because I was getting ready to pour a cup of coffee. And like Brandon said, there's no "I wet myself" option, so I went with Incredibly happy.
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Post by Mr Clown on Jul 30, 2008 1:46:09 GMT -5
I put 'I DON'T CARE' I never read any 'silver age' Flash stories. So I have no connection to the character. When I finally bought the collected edition of Crisis in Infinite Earths, noble sacifice, but it only delayed Anti-Monitor. Now fast forward to Identity Crisis, I liked the idea that Barry Allen was the one that tipped the scale in favor of mind-wiping Dr. Light, but mainly who he did it for. I knew Wally has the Flash, through the JLA comics that Grant Morrison wrote. And more recently, through the cartoon. Pass all of that crap...I hate resurrection of characters...period. Dead is dead. Jason Todd & Bucky, I thought they were always going to remain dead. Wrong there. Magneto got his head chopped of. But that was explained as being X'orn. Aunt May is another one. And don't get me started on that ONE MORE DAY B.S. But I guess the order of the day is raised the dead. So their sacifrices are meanless. Let the hanging begin. Mischief That is exactly how I feel Chief... Or Dragon... One of your personalities anyway.  I grew up with Wally as The Flash, and even after reading a bunch of the silver age stuff, I still prefer Wally over Barry any day of the week. But it's nice for the silver age fans to have Barry back I guess, so long as Wally remains in action that is.  *Stands next to Chief and Dragon on the gallows awaiting execution* |
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Post by l1701e on Aug 11, 2008 11:22:15 GMT -5
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Barry Allen back. Allen was my first Flash, thanks to my dad's Silver Age comics and the TV show.
Johns and Van Sciver did an excellent job on Green Lantern: Rebirth for Hal, so I think they can do it again for Barry.
You know, I remember when GL: Rebirth was announced, a lot of people complained about Kyle Rayner being put to the wayside in favor of Hal Jordan, but it turned out in the story that not only did Kyle not get shoved aside, he played a key role in the story! Heck, he got a good shot or two in on Sinestro! Also, Kyle, Hal, John, Guy, and Kilowog all brawled with Parallax at the end! And at the end of Sinestro Corps War, Hal AND Kyle physically brawled with Sinestro himself!
I don't think Johns will bring Barry back at the expense of Wally or even Jay. If his runs on Flash and JSA proved anything, he has a lot of love for those two, and it would not surprise me if they ended up playing key roles in Barry's return.
And as for those who say that Barry's return makes his sacrifice in COIE meaningless, I say that's hogwash. Is this story going to retcon it out of history? Does his return automatically say he never gave his life to save the multiverse/universe? Marv Wolfman, the man who WROTE COIE, said he DID put in a hidden way to bring Barry back. I think Marv may have anticipated someone wanting to bring Barry back, so he put that out in just in case.
You want to talk sacrifices made meaningless? Let's talk the Pre-Crisis Kara Zor-El. She gave her life battling the Anti-Monitor in what many say was her best story, and after all was said and done, she not only ended up dead, but the new DC Universe history said she NEVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Her sacrifice not only ended up being forgotten, it never happened at all. Now that is a sacrifice made meaningless.
And that is my two cents, thank you very much.
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Post by HoM on Aug 11, 2008 11:36:57 GMT -5
Exactly my thinking! Exalt!
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Post by Brandon on Aug 11, 2008 18:38:09 GMT -5
Great points, 1701. I feel much the same way about COIE. His sacrifice may have meant something then, but his coming back will mean so much more now.  |
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Post by brigante133 on Aug 11, 2008 19:20:21 GMT -5
Don't know how I missed this (well, I do: been really busy), but I just gotta say that this is going to be awesome--- and will get me to buy Flash comics again. Good move, DC! (Now let's have Aquaman: Rebirth) Actually I think Johns said that he wanted to hit an Aquaman secret origins at some point in an interview. |
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Post by l1701e on Aug 11, 2008 19:48:20 GMT -5
He wants to do something with Aquaman? Wow. You know, I think DC Comics may end up secretly trying to clone Johns so they can have him on every book.  ;D And thanks, killerseamonkey and HoM! I'm glad you agree. I found his return very appropriate. Geoff Johns has said that he considers Barry Allen the DCU's greatest hero, and I can see why. And since Final Crisis is supposed to be the worst moment in DCU history, who better to help save the day than the DCU's greatest hero? Barry Allen: Okay, so Darkseid won. He has the universe in his grasp.
Superman: Yup.
Barry: You know, there's only one thing to do in this situation.
Superman: What's that?
Barry: *tugs on his boot* Tighten your boots...and start kicking butt.
Superman: *grins* Do you have any idea how much we missed you, man? |
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Post by Brandon on Aug 11, 2008 20:40:44 GMT -5
Found this via LITG.... In the TwoMorrows "The Flash Companion" interview with Mark Waid on his run on "Impulse," he discusses recent editorial decisions to turn the character into the Flash and then kill him off. --- WELLS: Eventually, Impulse gave way to Kid Flash and Kid Flash, in turn, morphed into an adult Flash. Do you think those changes necessarily served Bart Allen well? WAID: Nah. Listen, Geoff Johns and I made our peace about this. I love Geoff. Geoff's one of my best friends, and Geoff is an incredibly talented writer and is the only writer alive who loves these characters as much as I do. And I don't blame him for paving over the Impulse identity. The shoehorning of Impulse into Kid Flash was, as I understand it, not his idea. It was a wrongheaded edict passed down by an editor that never got the character and has made it his mission to purge DC of anything even remotely fun and lighthearted. But even as Kid Flash, he was still largely recognizable as Bart. And then he became the Flash, and a more boneheaded move you couldn't have made with that character. Geoff and I fought against it, we fought like you wouldn't believe. Steve Wacker, who was slated to be the original editor, Geoff, me...we all fought the good fight, knowing beyond any shadow of a doubt that squeezing Bart into that costume would go against absolutely everything about that character. And we lost. We lost every step of the way. Ultimately, someone else's ego outweighed my opinion about what Bart would and wouldn't do, but that's how it often goes with corporate-owned heroes and is the price you pay dealing in them. Ask Keith Giffen sometime how many lectures he's had to endure about what Lobo "would and wouldn't do." So, in their infinite wisdom, DC Editorial made Bart The Flash, and that relaunch was one of the greatest critical failures in all of DC publishing history. WELLS: Really? WAID: In terms of sales they had on the first issue and the sales they posted by the fifth or sixth issues, it was just a crashing, crashing disaster. It was one of the most disastrous, embarrassing launches in DC history. And we were all " I'm not trying to sound all "I told you so," because it broke our hearts because we loved that character " but we warned them. We told them, "Don't do that, it won't work." Sure enough, six issues in, they realized they had a mess of a series they couldn't make work, no matter what. At that point, Dan DiDio called me up, a courtesy call, and said, "So we're going to kill Bart. I just thought I should let you know." My honest feeling at that point was like, "Dude, you killed Bart years ago." [mutual laughter] "That's so not Bart in that suit. I don't care. Everything in comics is cyclical. Bart'll be back eventually at some point anyway so, sure, go ahead and put the bullet through his head. I don't care." I figured Bart would be better off dead than misunderstood and mishandled. --- It's really encouraging to know that Johns was so opposed to steps taken to destroy this character. Here's hoping he uses his apparent super power of undoing bad DC editorial moves to bring Impulse back. |
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Post by l1701e on Aug 11, 2008 23:31:56 GMT -5
Yeah, it is very encouraging.
Actually, many fans do theorize that Bart Allen is the one trapped in those lightning rods that the Legion used in The Lightning Saga. It would be awesome if that was true. Johns did hint the Allen family would play a role in Legion of Three Worlds.
You know another character I was happy to see back? Ice.
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Post by HoM on Aug 12, 2008 8:22:19 GMT -5
Same. Her appearance in GLC under Tomasi's pennage has been really encouraging.
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Post by Brandon on Aug 12, 2008 8:28:52 GMT -5
There was also the "teenage speedsters" comment at SDCC. *crosses fingers* If Johns straightens out Impulse and brings back Barry, he will in fact and without a doubt be the coolest man in comics.
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Post by l1701e on Aug 16, 2008 23:52:12 GMT -5
It's really encouraging to know that Johns was so opposed to steps taken to destroy this character. Here's hoping he uses his apparent super power of undoing bad DC editorial moves to bring Impulse back. Yeah, it sure is. I think that is Geoff's superpower. Robin: *stands at Connor and Bart's graves, sniffling*
Geoff Johns: Oh hey, Tim. Sorry I'm late. Traffic.
Robin: What're you doing here?
Geoff: I'm Geoff Johns. I fix stuff. Go ahead, Neil. *nods to Neil Peart of Rush, who is sitting at a drum kit*
Neil: The drum solo of life! *plays a long, complicated, yet awesome drum solo. After the solo, Connor and Bart pop out of their graves, good as new. Bart is back in his Impulse identity*
Robin: Dudes! ;D
Impulse: I want a cheese sandwich.Sorry about it. I saw the Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie, and I couldn't resist. |
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Post by Lantern Lad on Aug 20, 2008 19:09:37 GMT -5
(Now let's have Aquaman: Rebirth) Can I get an amen!? But seriously... the Flash Rebirth story should be great... but I am a big Wally fan (the last 3 years of stories notwithstanding). It should be interesting to see what happens... |
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Post by HoM on Nov 18, 2009 19:45:56 GMT -5
Did you pick up #5? Did you see Wally's new costume? Also, the continuity mess-up kind of makes sense, if you know what I'm talking about, but was it a faux pas that's developed into a striking and kind of shocking plot twist, or was it planned all along and Johns feigned ignorance?
Your thoughts?
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Post by Brandon on Nov 18, 2009 20:47:56 GMT -5
Any pics of the new costume? I can't make it to the shop for a few days!
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Post by theyallfalldown on Nov 19, 2009 6:22:28 GMT -5
Any pics of the new costume? I can't make it to the shop for a few days!  i kinda like it although i shudder at that design for jesse. her other jesse quick costumes where cooler, and i thought the liberty belle costume did a nice job of incorporating element of the flash in her, with the crack in the bell being a liighning bolt and all? and hmmm a new impulse!! now if only we could de-age chris kent, and have him, impulse, robin and sin(awww poor sin we hardly knew ye) and lian harper together we could have a new young justice! |
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Post by Brandon on Nov 20, 2009 21:38:58 GMT -5
Cool. Thanks for that. Eh, I was hoping they would go a little closer to the Dark Flash/Walter West look from years back. It was a really sharp distinctive look. Jesse was definitely better as Liberty Belle. And yeah, new Impulse! Man, I was totally going to use that yellow lightning stripes look for Bart here at DC2 but I wasn't sure it would work. ha. |
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Post by David on Nov 21, 2009 8:34:03 GMT -5
Read this issue last night, and I really enjoyed it. Glad to see Johns has explained the whole "my Dad framed for murdering my Mom" retcon--- I hope he gets it fixed, though, as it changes Barry a little ("Batmanizes" him, if you will--- and we really don't need that with this character). Loving the idea of a Speed Force family, too. I agree with Brandon that Wally's costume should have gone the Walter West route, but--- as big a fan as I am of the Liberty Belle identity--- I kinda like the new Jesse Quick costume . That two page spread was awesome. The wait between issues sucks, but for me, each installment has been on the top of my stack of new reads every time. |
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Post by theyallfalldown on Nov 21, 2009 9:04:33 GMT -5
Oh please she looks like a total skank legs or breasts, never both. Lol, maybe that's why you like it... She looks like she could do with a better bra, boobs that size would hit her in the mouth with that costume!!
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I grew up with Wally as The Flash, and even after reading a bunch of the silver age stuff, I still prefer Wally over Barry any day of the week. But it's nice for the silver age fans to have Barry back I guess, so long as Wally remains in action that is. 
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