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Post by David on Dec 6, 2011 19:34:16 GMT -5
Please let us know what you think!
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Post by UltimateDC on Dec 6, 2011 22:03:13 GMT -5
A couple of things before I start saying anything important. First off: OH MY GOD EARTH A ACTUALLY HAPPENED! IT HAPPENED! AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE! FINALLY!
Secondly...
Funny, I never realized Thanagar was part of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros. I guess you learn something new every day.
Now then, on to the story: Yay, I liked it! Good start to what is sure to be a good series. If I had anything to complain about, it was a bit short (though I suppose that's to be expected from a title that was intended to be part of an anthology). We don't get much characterization from our leads or their relationship. However, the action was fun and it does set up a pretty neat villain (which is good, since Hawkman has, what, maybe three villains? Or at least good ones). I'm looking forward to the next one. Keep it up!
-UDC
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Post by David on Dec 7, 2011 13:51:39 GMT -5
A couple of things before I start saying anything important. First off: OH MY GOD EARTH A ACTUALLY HAPPENED! IT HAPPENED! AND WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE! FINALLY! Ha! Let the fun begin! Looking forward to seeing Suicide Squad explode onto the scene, Scott. I wonder if George R. R. Martin was influenced by Hawkman, at all...? I think I did read somewhere that he's a fan of Timothy Truman (but then, who isn't?)... It is a bit shorter than what I usually consider a full issue, but I think it works as a tight, three scene installment of a serialized story  . Actually, I think I like working at this length; seems more manageable (and more digestible to a reader, hopefully). You think not? If you take a second look at the issue, I think you'll see just about every line or action from Katar and Shayera relates or otherwise informs their character and/or relationship to each other. Maybe I'm just too close to it, but for instance, I can certainly distinguish them from their much different Earth-One counterparts. Four or five, surely! Let's see, there's The Gentleman Ghost, Lion-Mane, Byth, that guy with the cloak of Caligostro... and the, uh, other one! Okay, I see your point  . I'll work on that in this series! And how 'bout that gorgeous cover from Trevor Yarmovich, huh? He actually drew one before this, which I thought was fantastic and really highlighted the Snarebeast; maybe he can be persuaded to post it here and give folks a look at another pretty picture...  Thanks very much for reading, Scott! |
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Post by HoM on Dec 7, 2011 15:49:56 GMT -5
Tight, punchy, and with a lot of promise. I know that the length of the instalment was a creative choice and I think it worked really well, I want more, and I want it now, but I also feel like... well, that took me less than three minutes. I just scrolled down a page and I was done. David, you have robbed me of my expectation of Hawkman! How could you? HOW COULD YOU?
With regards to Scott's point about your not focusing on the relationship between Katar and Shayera, before I even read it my mind was racing. How could David mess that up? Well... you didn't. It wasn't OBVIOUS, it wasn't like every other sentence was about their relationship like you said, David. But it wasn't like it was lacking, either. I inferred their love. Their quippy back-and-forth, their suggested glances, their concern for one another (more Shayera for Katar this issue but I expect a spotlight on Shayera in the future, because I know what you're like), there was a relationship there.
So, David. Scott. You're both wrong. Scott, there was love there! I don't know what you were reading! And David, I don't know what you're saying about every line-- if every line was about their love I would have berated you. These characters don't NEED that. A good writer WOULDN'T do that. The balance was simply perfection, so keep that up.
I happen to love Hawkman's rogues. I read Hawkman religiously before Infinite Crisis (I dropped the Hawkgirl reboot because it became very convoluted when it didn't need to), and the Palmiotti and Gray run was so heavy with villains it was a delight to read! This is character I've always had a soft spot for (thanks to David, actually. He got me reading him) and I know that I... now... want... to write... all... stories... ever... with Katar Hol.
Oh, for anyone who is wondering, this is positive feedback.
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Post by insmouth on Dec 7, 2011 19:27:46 GMT -5
First story of a new Earth, does it make me want to read more about this world?
Yes.
It was more a teaser in my opinion than a grand beginning but that's okay, because it still left me satisfied while also knowing that I'll be back for the next installment. It sets up setting, characters and relationships without shoving that information in your face, which is good because I'm not that familiar with the Hawkman mythos. Now to wait impatiently for Aquaman, another character I've never really followed.
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Post by David on Dec 7, 2011 21:40:39 GMT -5
Tight, punchy, and with a lot of promise. I know that the length of the instalment was a creative choice and I think it worked really well, I want more, and I want it now, but I also feel like... well, that took me less than three minutes. I just scrolled down a page and I was done. David, you have robbed me of my expectation of Hawkman! How could you? HOW COULD YOU?I don't know...! I just... Um, sorry? Yep! You got it. I was hoping to evoke that Nick and Nora Charles (Thin Man!) vibe that is so fun about the Silver Age Hawks. And as a matter of fact, you are exactly correct about that spotlight on Shayera...  Okay. It's a deal  . Agreed! I realized I loved it halfway through and in light of what came later, it was the Hawks highpoint of recent years . Ha! That's fantastic! Thanks, Charlie! And I would read them. Thanks for reading, sir. And for the feedback! |
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Post by David on Dec 7, 2011 22:06:31 GMT -5
First story of a new Earth, does it make me want to read more about this world? Yes. Sweet! ;D I could ask for no better outcome! The neat thing about Earth-A is that we pre-suppose no extensive prior knowledge. So, I'm honored to induct you into Hawkfandom, Innsmouth's Shadow! Your wait will be mercifully brief, then! Six days, then dive in. (Pun intended. Sorry ) Thanks for reading, and for the feedback, sir! |
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Post by Romans Empire on Dec 9, 2011 23:39:22 GMT -5
Finally had a peaceful moment to sit back, relax, and enjoy this first offering of Hawkman & Hawkwoman. Admittedly I have never got into a Hawkman book through the various convoluted incarnations of the character. The closest I ever came was the Ostrander Hawkworld series, but DC found a way to screw that up. Anyway, I felt I was dropped right into action, and loved it right until the very messy, gut-wrenching end to the Thanagarian Snarebeast!
I was hoping a bit more background, specifically what makes this different from all the other Hawks, but I know it's coming.
Scanning the letter page here a big smile formed on my face at the mention of Nick and Nora mention. I didn't make that connection at first, yet it felt perfect, (Similar to Dian and Wesley from Wagners Sandman Mystery Theatre). I love Nora from the Thin Man series! And this short installment had several moments that made me clamor for more from this couple.
A very solid, tightly woven tale that leaves the reader wanting more and more. And with a special "redone" cover by the infamous Trevor Yarmovich made this a 5 star issue, even if the rating system has mysteriously been omitted.
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Post by David on Dec 10, 2011 13:05:45 GMT -5
Finally had a peaceful moment to sit back, relax, and enjoy this first offering of Hawkman & Hawkwoman. Admittedly I have never got into a Hawkman book through the various convoluted incarnations of the character. The closest I ever came was the Ostrander Hawkworld series, but DC found a way to screw that up. Ugh! Agreed! After Ostrander left, it was an absolute low-point for the character (though, to be frank, I'm not a fan of the Ostrander run, either, so it didn't have far to fall. Oh, the '90s :  ... Ha! I'm a sucker for a good pun, and that was a good pun. Touche, Mr. Elbe! And glad you liked my homage opening scene; I was afraid it was a bit too heavy-handed. It's not really different from the Silver Age Hawks at all, actually (and the fact that they're the SA versions is telegraphed in the first two sentences, I hope), and that is intentional. When it comes to fan fiction, I don't think readers want their characters to be different from the ones they already enjoy reading, but it is up to the writer to ensure the readers connect with the characters--- and that is a job I gleefully undertake! Exactly, sir! The interplay between Katar and Shayera was always the most fun thing about the SA Hawks (at least for me). For me, this title will always be about the relationship between the leads. And, BTW, a special thanks to Jamie Rimmer who made me see the light that this title should bear both their names, not just Katar's. The rating system just depresses me. When a title only has one or two ratings (or none) it looks like no one is reading... Without it, I get to imagine hundreds of readers, all giving me a perfect 5! Trevor sure did come through with a beauty of a cover--- twice actually. His first one deserves to be seen, as well, and I hope he gives our readers a look at it one day. Thanks for reading, John, and for the feedback! I truly appreciate the support! |
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Post by Trevor on Dec 10, 2011 15:16:49 GMT -5
I personally did not like this alternative cover I drew. But if you like it, feel free to post it as interior art... Behold, the Snarebeast...  |
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Post by oddball on Jan 5, 2012 19:00:53 GMT -5
I have never been interested in Hawkman and Hawkgirl... woman... female... etc. The concept for the character just never really sold with me: guy in hawk suit with wings and Roman-esque weapons. Meh. Here though, by choosing to make the characters their space-faring incarnations, but also still incorporating the whole "Midway City Superheroes" thing, I gotta say... it worked. It was clean, it was action-packed, and most of all, the world felt developed! The characters themselves still seem just "warriors" and "cops" but I can tell there is room for future characterization, especially with the intro of Andar. But no, more than the characters, the world of this title feels filled out. The gods that Hawkman calls upon, the political strife and history of Thanagar, the different races and warships, "Seven Hells" being a swear... this is a world that has been carefully constructed and the writer has a lot in the works. It had action, and it had promise of more depth, and that's everything you could want from a first issue.  My only complaint? TOO SHORT!!!!!!! I WANTZ MOAARRRRR!!!!!! The main kudos I can give: never really liked Hawkman... but I liked this. |
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. Actually, I think I like working at this length; seems more manageable (and more digestible to a reader, hopefully). 
. I'll work on that in this series!
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