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Post by zirron on May 9, 2008 18:08:05 GMT -5
Charlie,
I don't think you're wasting your time. I do think Marvel3 is a waste of time and energy though.
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Post by Trevor on May 9, 2008 19:59:36 GMT -5
Hmmm, just my opinion, but I don't think it is a waste of time... If he has the drive and motivation to make a go of it and can find the artists and writers who want to help with the dream, then all the power to him. It looks like he is putting 100% of his effort into this. It will be interesting to see if that site does actually grow bigger than Marvel2. You never know what will happen with Fan Sites, many come and go. Maybe that site will go hard for a few months and die. Maybe people will like that site better than Marvel2 and Marvel2 will die... It is almost like a duel! Draw pistols at 30 paces! Damn I am gonna go get some popcorn! ......... Do you see the silliness here tho? Everyone wins with this site coming up! If no one but the people who wrote the stories for (and drew the art for) Marvel2 visited Marvel2, would that be a tragedy? Everyone keeps saying that they are doing this for fun. Did that stop all of a sudden? Let 5 more Marvel Fan Sites pop up. It is good for the fans!!! Everyone is doing this for fun right? No one can stop you. Doesn't matter how many of them pop up... Or is all that stuff everyone told me the other week a bunch of B.S.
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Post by batkid on May 10, 2008 0:23:12 GMT -5
Hey... you have one thing in your favor, Chuck. YOU spelled 'Announcements' right.
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2008 0:36:39 GMT -5
LMAO.
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Post by Brandon on May 10, 2008 11:57:17 GMT -5
I was thinking of starting a site called Image4. It's like Image but what if the seven founders never split up but then if Rob Liefeld had never been one to start with and Shadowhawk had a wicked rad red suit instead but everything is all Ultimate All-Star and Al Gore had been President rather than Bush. Sound awesome or what?!
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Post by craigcermak on May 10, 2008 13:16:44 GMT -5
Trevor, you seem to be missing the point. If someone wants to start a Marvel fanfiction site, then that's cool. They have every right to. BUT when they start one and claim it's an equivalent to this here DC2 and it's pretty much identical EVEN THOUGH a sister-site already exists as the Marvel2 with much of the same people involved in the DC2, it's pretty incosiderate. So it makes many uncomfortable when you say things like "Maybe we should trash Marvel2 since it's not as pretty...," even if you mean it in jest, since a group of us are working hard to keep Marvel2 running and have had a rocky start. Again, it's fine if anyone wishes to start their own fanfic, but it's rude when the name is off by one number, the site layout is practically identical, and it's said to be "an equivalent to DC2" when one already exists, and to put the cherry on top you make ridiculous statements that make people question themselves.
Get it?
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Post by zirron on May 10, 2008 13:32:32 GMT -5
I couldn't really say it better, Craig.
I know how hard everyone works to make things go on all three sites and being a part of that process... it's kind of a slap to my face when I see Marvel3.... when Marvel2 barely begun. I know the artists and writers are dedicated to these three sites.
That being said: Since when did you get good at writing? o.O
kidding..
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Post by Merai on May 10, 2008 14:14:22 GMT -5
DING DING DING DING! Craig's exactly right. It really does make those of us who've been at the Marvel2 from day one feel like we've wasted our time if another site pops up, effectively claims Marvel2's place without even a reference to it's EXISTENCE and is hailed as potentially better than it within a day. I... well, Craig's really said it all.
The Marvel2 has had only four months of existence. It's a hectic time- when the summer rolls around and people have more time, things will pick up, and a lot of people- myself included- will be able to devote FAR more time to it. Until then, let's not go sounding any death knells or elevating any knock-offs.
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Post by zirron on May 10, 2008 14:16:19 GMT -5
Merai:
*EXALT*
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Post by Brandon on May 10, 2008 15:59:10 GMT -5
There have been no small number of rivals and imitators to DC2 since its inception. The proof has always been in the pudding and lesser sites fall away where quality perseveres. I would think a Marvel site established on the tried and true formula of this site and with the same dedicated members will see the same success. Some say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and one sure way you know you are doing things right.
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2008 16:51:58 GMT -5
Trevor, you seem to be missing the point. If someone wants to start a Marvel fanfiction site, then that's cool. They have every right to. BUT when they start one and claim it's an equivalent to this here DC2 and it's pretty much identical EVEN THOUGH a sister-site already exists as the Marvel2 with much of the same people involved in the DC2, it's pretty incosiderate. So it makes many uncomfortable when you say things like "Maybe we should trash Marvel2 since it's not as pretty...," even if you mean it in jest, since a group of us are working hard to keep Marvel2 running and have had a rocky start. Again, it's fine if anyone wishes to start their own fanfic, but it's rude when the name is off by one number, the site layout is practically identical, and it's said to be "an equivalent to DC2" when one already exists, and to put the cherry on top you make ridiculous statements that make people question themselves. Get it? I do get it. You do know that there are other sites with this design out there. I found a couple when I was hunting for a new home to draw a few weeks ago. They are waaaaay smaller tho. One of them only had one artist (tho he was damn good). Are you upset that he copied the design? Cause if so, you are gonna be even more upset to find out there are more sites with this design. I think everyone is just upset because he actually had the audacity to post a link to that site here... There is an easy fix to that you know... Wipe the thread out. Problem solved. This discussion is just helping the advertising of that site... Do you want to really be insulted??? Read this... stanleejr.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=whatisthemarvel3&action=display&thread=4
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Post by craigcermak on May 10, 2008 17:14:19 GMT -5
Okay, you clearly don't get it. First off, I never said I was upset about anything. Secondly, you ignored everything else I wrote except for the small comment about the "site design."
Please re-read what I wrote and realise it isn't focused on how the site's "designed," ok?
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Post by craigcermak on May 10, 2008 17:18:33 GMT -5
And simply "erasing" a thread because some people may not like what's on there? A tad ridiculous. What happens, happens. Erasing a thread doesn't change that.
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Post by batkid on May 10, 2008 17:42:31 GMT -5
Trevor, you seem to be missing the point. If someone wants to start a Marvel fanfiction site, then that's cool. They have every right to. BUT when they start one and claim it's an equivalent to this here DC2 and it's pretty much identical EVEN THOUGH a sister-site already exists as the Marvel2 with much of the same people involved in the DC2, it's pretty incosiderate. So it makes many uncomfortable when you say things like "Maybe we should trash Marvel2 since it's not as pretty...," even if you mean it in jest, since a group of us are working hard to keep Marvel2 running and have had a rocky start. Again, it's fine if anyone wishes to start their own fanfic, but it's rude when the name is off by one number, the site layout is practically identical, and it's said to be "an equivalent to DC2" when one already exists, and to put the cherry on top you make ridiculous statements that make people question themselves. Get it? I do get it. You do know that there are other sites with this design out there. I found a couple when I was hunting for a new home to draw a few weeks ago. They are waaaaay smaller tho. One of them only had one artist (tho he was damn good). Are you upset that he copied the design? Cause if so, you are gonna be even more upset to find out there are more sites with this design. I think everyone is just upset because he actually had the audacity to post a link to that site here... There is an easy fix to that you know... Wipe the thread out. Problem solved. This discussion is just helping the advertising of that site... Do you want to really be insulted??? Read this... stanleejr.proboards82.com/index.cgi?board=whatisthemarvel3&action=display&thread=4No. It's not so much that he copied the design. Or even, so much, that he posted the link here. This IS a thread to 'post links to other great sites'. BUT, we don't need a link to Marvel 3-- it's a watered-down version of Marvel 2. The point is, he tried to replace Marvel 3, by saying that it was 'the equivalent of DC2'. If I made a site, I might copy, TO A POINT, a design that's proven to be easy to use. But I wouldn't go on to the 'equivalent' of it and boast about it--especially KNOWING that many of the people on this site helped create the Marvel 2! The design? OK. The link? Eh... But trying to replace something that we've worked on for his? Absolutely not.
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Post by Merai on May 10, 2008 18:21:07 GMT -5
Damn well said, batkid. And might I add:
"The Marvel3 is the Marvel universe spin off of the DC2!
It's as simple as that!"
That right there is the insulting part. Right up at the top of the DC2 page, there's a link. Right there on the toolbar. "Marvel2". For this Marvel3, the creators clearly KNEW of the Marvel2- they have to have if they called it the Marvel Three and have looked at the toolbar here. And yet they blatantly ignore its existence. It's one thing to say "It's an alternative to Marvel2" and explain how, it's another to pretend it's not real, and effectively poise themselves as the "official" Marvel spin-off. And to add insult to injury;
"Don't know what the DC2 is? Visit us here at..."
Us? Us? Thus far I've seen one guy from the DC2 at the Marvel3, a guy I've never seen before. The Marvel2 has several of the Dc2 founders and longest standing members. I don't see that they have the right to call the DC2 "us" and insinuate that the Marvel3 and the DC2 have the same kind of connection as the Marvel2 and the DC2 have.
As for giving them better advertising... they had 4 members when I last checked, they have 4 now, and no-one's really expressed an interest, so I won't lose any sleep over it.
I want to note, I don't mean to come off as a jerk or anything. If these guys want to tell Marvel stories, I absolutely respect that- if they want to do it on their OWN site, that's fine as well. But would it really have been so hard to... not poise themselves as being something they aren't? Or, if they wanted that connection with the established DC2, to simply communicate with the guys here and even at the Marvel2 beforehand?
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2008 19:58:56 GMT -5
First off, I never said I was upset about anything. Then why are your posts showing grumpiness? I think I get it. He is piggy backing off of the DC2's popularity and using it as a springboard, pretty much claiming that he is the official Marvel Fansite for the DC2 when he isn't? Is that it?
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Post by zirron on May 10, 2008 20:55:50 GMT -5
Trevor,
The fact that the site is opened up as Marvel3 is fine. I mean Free Speech and all, but from what I understand of the site owner he's expressed interest in writing certain types of writing and being turned down because the site wasn't really ready for it was what I understood about the whole thing.
Instead of being a branch of Marvel2 he's gearing it as a competitor while copying the style and administration of DC2 and subsequent sister sites. I find that to be... distasteful and with no tact. Marvel2 is less than a year old and frankly the stories are just now being written and drawn... There is no need for Marvel3 unless the continuity had become bloated and weathered... Or there was just a need to extend into another direction from Marvel2...and that doesn't exist as far as I can tell.
I see Marvel3 as a competitor and not a sister site. I don't feel as though it should be sanctioned by Charlie (though it's his prerogative if he chooses to do that.)
I only know that I wouldn't open a DC site or Marvel site if I wanted to be affiliated with the family of sites. But that's my take on it. I did open a site that was independent of those publishers, but in hopes of taking its place beside the other sites. Though I am not even close to being ready for the grand opening.... I just think that Marvel3's owner should use some tact. Which to me is lacking.
Again that's my opinion.
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Post by Trevor on May 10, 2008 21:22:15 GMT -5
Aaah, there is some background here I was missing out on... The pieces fall into place... Why do I always have to hear about this shit like waaaay after it happens...
It is too bad he didn't stick it out Marvel2 and put his energy and focus on helping to build that site instead of not only wasting time on this new site, but also insulting all the staff at Marvel2, DC2, and DC3. Those four people he has over there would have helped propel the site even more.
I guess some people have problems being told what they cannot do. It also looks to me like he didn't take the rejection well, and is trying to find a way to cause pain to the very person who rejected his ideas!
Damn this would make a great comic book story!!! How many villains can you name with this generic background?
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Post by batkid on May 10, 2008 22:03:36 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think it's 'waaaay after it happened'. I'm fairly sure that this is pretty recent. But who am I to judge his motives? The point is, what he did was, like Zirron said, distateful and lacking in tact. What his thinking was behind it we can't say, but... *shrug* If that is it, I hope he finds a way to write the stories he wants--without insulting DC2 and her sister sites. It could be that Marvel 3 will fade out.
But, like Merai said, let's not give him a lot of publicity--if people are really upset about it, they shouldn't give Marvel 3 attention, they should get a membership at Marvel 2 and show it-- and Charlie, and everyone else-- their loyal support!
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Post by brigante133 on May 10, 2008 22:26:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I wouldn't fret about this site at all. This is wasting our time talking about it. At least before we spoke about such things in places like a writers workshop instead of derailing the topics in which they were posted. Bad form on a moderators part... hey that's me! Dogonnit... Brandon is right, we should ignore it and it'll dissolve faster the Alka-Seltzer. That said I, checked out the site. It is pretty ugly; however, I think they could be on the right track if they use this as their banner as one of their members has suggested. Kudos to it's creator, I wish I had one just like it for here. Total Class.
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Post by Brandon on May 11, 2008 1:16:03 GMT -5
LOL. That is like some Photoshop magic right there.
At someone's suggestion of the possibility that all the artwork he's using has been ripped off from artists at DeviantART, I did some double-checking and that would indeed appear to be the case (definitely for the banner as the artist had no idea it was being used). All of those artists have been notified of the misuse of their artwork so I think we might see his site design change very soon.
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Post by Brandon on May 11, 2008 2:47:05 GMT -5
"Hm, that picture seems to be a popular one in my gallery, so I am not surprised why this could happen. No, I was not aware that this piece has been posted there--or anywhere else for that matter. I have not received any notes or comments regarding posting this image, or any related image I have already posted in my gallery, to be posted on another site, at all. This person did not ask permission from me."
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"I was not aware my art was being used on that site. Thank you for taking the time to let me know. I greatly appreciate it. "
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"Nobody has contacted me about this. Thank you for letting me know.
You should also contact the artist who drew the image, as I only coloured it. The artist is Kid Notorious."
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That's three so far. Guy needs to be careful. I've seen people flame-bombed by a whole watchers list on DA before over a stolen art stituation.
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Post by starlord on May 11, 2008 3:35:55 GMT -5
Boy have I missed a lot in the last twenty four hours! Brandon, my friend. always good to see you around. Also nice to know that I'm not the only one up at four thirty in the morning. LOL! You are also right, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but my love for this sight, as well as DC3 and Marvel2 does set my teeth on edge when I checked it out. Probably because I've grown to really respect and admire what everyone has done here and our sister sites for the last (almost four years). Does anyone even know who this guy is? And yes, I realize I'm probably fanning the flame by continuing the conversation, but I came late to the party. At the same time, it's very nice of him to supply links to the superior websites. ;D Yes, that was catty, but it's four thirty in the morning.
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Post by Brandon on May 11, 2008 4:28:11 GMT -5
Thanks Brian. Always good to speak with you, sir. I happened to peek in here before and made a goof on the site because it seemed unnecessary, but when I realized he was stealing from and disrespecting fan artists on DA that got my attention. And then to associate his irresponsible site to this one, which is run by hardworking fan artists and writers, well, that ticked me off. Those artists will at least have a chance to voice their opinions on it now.
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Post by HoM on May 11, 2008 5:36:50 GMT -5
They stole my words.
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Post by Mischief on May 11, 2008 8:51:06 GMT -5
So its over and done with. Like it was said before too much time was focused on this stuff. I tend to rather focus my energies on more pruductive things such as writing Shazam!, drawing covers for Shazam!, and sometimes be the little nuisance to Charlie because I don't knw, I feel he might not be bothered enough. Let karma deal with Marvel 3. I was thinking of starting a site called Image4. It's like Image but what if the seven founders never split up but then if Rob Liefeld had never been one to start with and Shadowhawk had a wicked rad red suit instead but everything is all Ultimate All-Star and Al Gore had been President rather than Bush. Sound awesome or what?! PM me about this idea, that is if you are interested.
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Post by Brandon on May 12, 2008 8:15:23 GMT -5
That said I, checked out the site. It is pretty ugly; however, I think they could be on the right track if they use this as their banner as one of their members has suggested. Kudos to it's creator, I wish I had one just like it for here. Total Class. I guess the artists have contacted them. Suddenly that banner got really popular there.
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Post by Trevor on May 12, 2008 8:35:53 GMT -5
Yes, and he deleted all the posts clarifying that Marvel2 is the official spinoff of DC2... I guess he disagrees...
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Post by HoM on May 12, 2008 11:28:45 GMT -5
I did PM him...
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Post by dragonbat on May 12, 2008 12:45:36 GMT -5
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