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Post by >>Riz! on May 12, 2009 16:05:41 GMT -5
I just came home from the cinema.
I love this movie. I just love it.
I so hope to see a second movie with this cast. Scottie was soooooooo funny, and after the first two scenes I even liked the new Spok.
J J Abrams did a fantastic job here.
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Post by zirron on May 12, 2009 22:42:11 GMT -5
One thing I have been reading by the Trekkies is they hate the continuity changes... can't they see that Star trek needed a new direction... a fresh change?
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Post by Alex on May 12, 2009 23:10:01 GMT -5
One thing I have been reading by the Trekkies is they hate the continuity changes... can't they see that Star trek needed a new direction... a fresh change? Jay, my friend, there's a word for those people. Haters. |
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Post by brigante133 on May 13, 2009 2:59:34 GMT -5
One thing I have been reading by the Trekkies is they hate the continuity changes... can't they see that Star trek needed a new direction... a fresh change? Wha? Hmm... Okay. One thing I have been reading by the Trekkies, the ones over at the biggest Star Trek messageboard www.trekbbs.com/index.php, is that they almost universally love this movie. There is a small percentage of them that feel the movie was a "slap in the face" but they, by know means, are representative of the whole community. I keep hearing this sort of thing but this image of the uptight nasally Star Trek fan who is up in arms over this movie's alternate history seems to be perpetuated by people that only look at a small subsection of the fanbase and that's frustrating. But ANYWAYS, I saw this movie and loved it. I've seen it twice and am contemplating seeing it again with one of my friends who I don't think has seen it yet. It may seem like sacrilege, but after a long internal debate, I place it above The Dark Knight on my list of movies. For some reason, Nero's plot to wait around for Spock to eventually come out of that black hole so that he can leave him stranded on planet and watch Vulcan implode into nothingness using the technology that was meant to save his planet before a nearby star goes supernova STILL seems less far fetched than the Joker's. haha. I might be setting myself up for this one, but what do you guys think? It might be more fair to compare this to Iron Man since they are both origin stories and are tonally more similar to one another, but screw it. |
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Post by >>Riz! on May 13, 2009 3:22:44 GMT -5
I don't think you can compare these two movies (or three if you count Iron Man).
I liked them all. TDK was great because of the Joker, but the more I think of the film the less I want to see it again, because I fear I might not like it anymore when I see it a second time. So many people I know didn't like it for different reasons, and I can't really argue with them because most of their points are right...
Iron Man was pure fun. Not such a good story imo, but it was a nice movie to watch.
Star Trek goes in a totally different direction. I love Space movies. I love the effects. I love the idea of being faster than light and travel to planets no other human (from earth) has seen before.
But What I especially like about this movie is that it uses the movies that were there before, develop a new story, change history and can start again without making the other movies seeming redundant. And that's what I really appreciate about this movie. I think I'll see it a second time in the cinema before I get me the DVD.
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Post by brigante133 on May 13, 2009 3:33:58 GMT -5
REMOVE THIS ANIMAL! You can compare any two things, Riz. I can compare apples and oranges if I felt like it. Oranges win that one. They just taste better.
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Post by brigante133 on May 13, 2009 3:58:21 GMT -5
Oh, also, I'm not sure how many of you paid attention, but IDW did a pretty good series before this movie came out that's probably rushed to trade by now that fills in a lot of the questionable back story of Nero and Spock from the future. It explains the advanced size and weaponry on a simple mining ship. It explains the weird face tattoos. It explains the unusual ship design Spock was riding in. It explains why nobody else didn't just come in with the red matter before Romulas got eaten up. And it sends off a few Next Generation guys like Data, Worf, Geordi, and Picard. To be fair, their own show sent them off as well in the two part finale but... Data's a captain of the enterprise... that's just awesome.
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Post by HoM on May 13, 2009 6:32:38 GMT -5
Oh, also, I'm not sure how many of you paid attention, but IDW did a pretty good series before this movie came out that's probably rushed to trade by now that fills in a lot of the questionable back story of Nero and Spock from the future. It explains the advanced size and weaponry on a simple mining ship. It explains the weird face tattoos. It explains the unusual ship design Spock was riding in. It explains why nobody else didn't just come in with the red matter before Romulas got eaten up. And it sends off a few Next Generation guys like Data, Worf, Geordi, and Picard. To be fair, their own show sent them off as well in the two part finale but... Data's a captain of the enterprise... that's just awesome. I picked up the first issue of that-- best last page reveal ev-ar? Maybe. I need to pick up the rest of the series-- I wholeheartedly recommend it, good call, R. |
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Post by chris on May 13, 2009 19:23:25 GMT -5
REMOVE THIS ANIMAL! You can compare any two things, Riz. I can compare apples and oranges if I felt like it. Oranges win that one. They just taste better.  Oranges?! Are you insane?! Apples are so much better. They are less messy, more crisp, and oranges are a pain in the ass. You ever try to make an orange pie?! Or dip oranges in caramel? Ever try enjoying yourself with some warm oranges and vanilla ice cream?Ridiculous! |
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Post by Ammunition88 on May 13, 2009 19:26:56 GMT -5
I agree with Chris! Apples kick orange's butts! (or they would if fruits had a posterior)...... anyway, now come the part where we argue about what KIND of apple is better..... Granny Smith! lol
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 14, 2009 20:49:12 GMT -5
One word: Creamsicles. Oranges win! ;D Back on subject: my husband and I like the majority of Treks (DS9, the last couple movies, and Enterprise being exceptions), and were very wary of this flick. Especially with Abrahms attached (we are not Lost fans,sorry). We went in with the unspoken intention of ripping this thing to shreds if they made any mistakes. But aside from some asthetic quibbles (shaky-cam, lens flare), we found terribly little to pick on! And we tried real hard! The thing that really sold the whole idea for me (and gave me a bit of a cold chill, actually) was when they actually voiced OUT LOUD the notion that Nero's meddling had made an alternate reality. It's like freaking "Crisis on Infinite Star Treks" now! Some things may stay on the same course, and others will be radically altered, but it's okay because they admitted that the whole timeline is now skewed. I can accept virtually any changes to the franchise now with an open heart and mind. And I'll for sure pick up that IDW book to fill in the gaps...though I'm trying to figure out how Data can be a captain when he got blowed up in Nemesis. Program download into B4 or B9 or whatever that other android's dumbass name was?  |
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Post by starlord on May 15, 2009 0:17:01 GMT -5
Saw the movie last night and I'm going to agree with all the thumbs up people. This was near perfect and probably will go down as number 3 in my list of Trek movies. Kahn and Undiscovered Country being the first two.
I love the changes. Favorite character was McCoy, but they all did nicely. Like Susan, I can totally buy the alternate time line concept. I was actually floored with what happened on Vulcan (that's all I'll say about that).
Nimoy's appearance made total sense and his last scene was bittersweet.
I'd give it an A-
Excellent.
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 15, 2009 2:16:23 GMT -5
Yeah, as it was happening, I'm silently saying to myself, "They're gonna go back and time and fix this, right? RIGHT?!? OH MY GOD...!!!!"  |
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Post by Brandon on May 15, 2009 8:15:16 GMT -5
So it has to be an alternate timeline if Old Spock wasn't wiped out of existence after the changes were made. That's cool and allows the fans of the original Trek to believe their favorites stories and characters are still intact out there somewhere. The thing that bothered me however was Old Spock just kinda hanging out at the end, chitchatting with himself, headed off to spearhead the new colony, etc. That seemed a little sloppy to me. There are just going to be two Spocks now? I think for the torch to have been properly passed Old Spock should have met his end in the final battle with Nero. Just my opinion on that. ;D
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Post by Brandon on May 15, 2009 8:22:20 GMT -5
And I'll for sure pick up that IDW book to fill in the gaps...though I'm trying to figure out how Data can be a captain when he got blowed up in Nemesis. Program download into B4 or B9 or whatever that other android's dumbass name was? I haven't read the story, Susie, but I'm assuming that's what happened seeing as it seemed to be the big obvious direction they were headed toward in the last TNG movie even if they didn't really actually make that step. And I agree, the B4 name was maybe one of the cheesiest things ever to be heaped upon Star Trek fandom. That begs the question though: why aren't there any robots in the Star Trek universe? Sure, there are the rare exceptions like with Harry Mudd or artificial intelligences like V'ger, but they normally act as if Data and Lore were the only androids ever created. I mean, we have robots now. Why aren't there helper bots all over the place in the Federation? |
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Post by goldk on May 15, 2009 9:04:47 GMT -5
Me too Susan. Finally! A movie where the characters actually have a clue about what's going on! And now they'll wonder what could have been. Maybe even try a trip to that alternate (prime) time line perhaps? My ONLY critique of the movie was the big star trek logo right after the opening battle. I thought it broke the momentum, but other than that I thought it was AWESOME!
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Post by Merai on May 16, 2009 13:42:39 GMT -5
Having never, ever seen anything Star Trek before, this was a first for me. I mean ANYTHING. Not even a second of ANY of the series. I'd heard of Spock, Scotty, Kirk, Picard and Sulu. That's about the sum total of my knowledge. I quite enjoyed it. It wasn't FANTASTIC, and it wasn't Star Wars (Well, it wasn't the *good* four Star Wars films) but it was pretty good, a solid 3.5/5. And I *might* watch one of the series' now, just to see. Any particular series where it's best to start, because I have no idea of the difference? |
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Post by zirron on May 16, 2009 18:51:44 GMT -5
If you want modern take then The Next Generation is it. (Everything modern is based off this show.)
If you want to see what the movie is based off then watch The Original Series.
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Post by HoM on May 16, 2009 22:15:13 GMT -5
If you want awesomeness... DS9. Because come on. Sisko punched Q.
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Post by l1701e on May 16, 2009 23:18:15 GMT -5
I saw it with my dad. It was an awesome movie, and he said it was better than he thought it would be.
I like Karl Urban as McCoy. He was like a young DeForrest Kelley. And Simon Pegg was hilarious as Scotty. Not to mention Sulu and the sword.
I especially liked the fact that the film peppered in references to the Original Series and movies.
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 17, 2009 18:04:18 GMT -5
Three days after seeing it, I was STILL thinking of things they'd slipped in! It's like Easter Egg Heaven! ;D Kevin: start with the original series, especially the newly-relsased "Star Trek Remastered" episodes on DVD and Blu-ray (or on late-night syndication in some areas). It's the same old stuff, but cleaned-up picture and enhanced effects in many shots. It'd probably be the easiest transition for you, since your first exposure involved CGI and not the old spaceship models and filter-effect "monsters". Once you've got some of that under your belt, head into the movies. And again, start with original crew (they're the focus up until the seventh movie, "Generations"), and the very best, the pinnacle of those flicks is #2, "The Wrath of Khan". Matter of fact, watch the episode "Space Seed" from the original series, then watch WoK. From there, watch #3 and #4 ("Search for Spock" and "The Voyage Home"). Better yet, buy the just-released box set of those three flicks. Easy-peasy.  There are also many themed episode sets available for Trek, which would give you a broad range across all series but with a common element: time travel/alternate dimensions, Klingons, Borg (you'll learn about them eventually), and a few others. Gawd, you know how long it's been since I got excited about Star Trek? Too dang long! |
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Post by >>Riz! on May 19, 2009 16:22:54 GMT -5
I just returned home from seeing the movie a second time. I still love it.
What I didn't realize the first time is that Eric Bana is playing Captain Nero. ha! I love that guy.
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Post by Merai on May 19, 2009 17:09:10 GMT -5
Susan,
I have taken your advice on board and will be watching the Original Series Remastered as it airs over here on Sci Fi (I'm recording my first episode tonight to watch tomorrow). It's currently in Season 2, it seems, but it should still be enough to give me a flavour!
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Post by lissilambe on May 19, 2009 17:21:50 GMT -5
Yeah, the original series is pretty much jump in anywhere. Being an older-style show from the Sixties, the idea of story arcs and "major" character growth are nowhere to be found, so there's no storylines to jump into the middle of. And don't take that the wrong way...the characters do develop in ways over time, but not in the way that modern television shows tend to write.
Enjoy! I'm curious to see what you think.
Take care
Don
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Post by HoM on May 24, 2009 8:50:36 GMT -5
I'm about to see this film today, but working in a cinema means I've seen... 50%, give or take, already, so that's a right downer-- but from what I've seen so far... good lord this film is amazing. What I just want to say before I leave is this: The score? So beautiful. Michael Giacchino does a bang-up job, and the new musical leitmotif he introduces, punctuating scenes beautifully in all it's appearances, is one of the best elements of a score I've heard in a long time. I'm a big fan of film soundtracks and scores, and this one has gone straight up near the top of my top ten.
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Post by Merai on May 24, 2009 18:58:54 GMT -5
I've now seen two episodes and.... ...I... ...really enjoyed them actually. They were better than I expected. Now, perhaps it was wrong of me, but I had expected them to be... I dunno, simpler than they were, more toned down, but they weren't. Oh, they'e not complex, they're not epics, but the two episodes I saw were very enjoyable, and while its cheesy, its cheesy in a way I can appreciate, rather than one that discourages me. And I'm not at all bothered by the effects; it was another time, after all. I like my brief taster of the series. I'll keep on watching.  |
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Post by Brandon on May 24, 2009 20:18:32 GMT -5
I think the original series was definitely an intelligent show and did very well with their characters, stories, and effects given the constraints of television at the time. Very progressive for the time. The first interracial kiss on television occurred between Kirk and Uhura for that matter.
I liked that the concept took center stage in most episodes. Which if the crew found a planet of Nazis? What if they were thrown into Alice in Wonderland? What if they were suddenly victims of rapid aging? Sure once measured all together it gets a little implausible but it was all fun and smartly done so you didn't really care. That was lost I think in the series that followed as suddenly everything became much more serious and bogged down in social and political analogies.
It didn't hurt that science fiction stories had proliferated in number and ideas in the few decades that proceeded the original series as there was plenty to "borrow" or distill into their stories. One of my favorite shows if you can't tell. Just had to weigh in a little. Hope you continue to enjoy the show, Kevin!
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 24, 2009 20:29:19 GMT -5
Gotta ask, Kev: Which two have you seen so far? |
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Post by HoM on May 25, 2009 5:41:17 GMT -5
I was wondering the exact same thing |
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Post by Merai on May 25, 2009 7:07:07 GMT -5
In the first one, Kirk, Spock and Bones got stranded on a planet which had a sentinent entity which had fallen in love with a famous explorer who had become stuck there decades ago. (It sounds so much sillier when said like that. ) The second featured Spock's parents coming aboard the Enterprise as there was murder onboard and Spock had to undergo a blood transfusion to save his father's life. |
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Oranges?! Are you insane?! Apples are so much better. They are less messy, more crisp, and oranges are a pain in the ass. You ever try to make an orange pie?! Or dip oranges in caramel? Ever try enjoying yourself with some warm oranges and vanilla ice cream?Ridiculous!
