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Post by starlord on Aug 20, 2008 20:00:15 GMT -5
I am genuinely curious when it comes to everyone's feelings about Grant Morrison. I 've liked two things he's done. Animal Man and the most of the Justice League. Everything else I either can't understand or just find dull. Of course, I've resigned myself to the fact that he must be brilliant and I'm just not up to that level of sophistication.
So what does everyone else think?
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Post by arcalian on Aug 20, 2008 21:11:56 GMT -5
Well, it's like somebody else once said; it's how tight the editor is on him. Firm editing makes him good. Loose editing and you're off into acid trip WTF land.
I read Justice League and Invisibles. Justice League was tight editing, so it rocked. Invisibles was his own thing, so sometimes it was cool and sometimes it was a migraine to read.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 20, 2008 21:16:55 GMT -5
He's hit or miss with me. Mostly miss. But I'm writing a Batman RIP AU thanks to him...
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Post by David on Aug 20, 2008 21:26:56 GMT -5
I don't know if 1 is best or 5 is ! I've liked most of what I've read by him, though I haven't read most of what he's written (none of his JLA, for instance). Seven Soldiers was hit or miss for me, but when it hit (Frankenstein, Klarion, Bulleteer) it hit hard! And his All-Star Superman is very good, indeed. I am reading Batman RIP, and enjoying it. Though, to add to fuel to Scott's conspiracy theory fire, I could see some similarities to my own Detective Comics "Lustmord" storyline crossed with Grant's "Death of Batman" arc in Batman. Maye he's been secretly checking us out for years! I'm still on the fence with Final Crisis, though. It's compelling stuff, but as Brian has stated elsewhere, it feels like a lot of previews strung together. I would love to see this stuff fleshed out a bit more. If this Bendis fellow is the king of decompressed storytelling, then Morrison is the Anti-Bendis. Final Crisis should have been 12 issues!
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Post by starlord on Aug 20, 2008 21:34:14 GMT -5
I do stand corrected. I forgot about All Star Superman. I bought the first trade of this and couldn't believe that Grant actually wrote it. I understood all of it. LOL!
Oh, and 5 is the top and 1 is the bottom.
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Post by zirron on Aug 20, 2008 21:37:11 GMT -5
I don't like his work, it reads abstract to me. Not a fan. at all.
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Post by David on Aug 20, 2008 21:45:03 GMT -5
I do stand corrected. I forgot about All Star Superman. I bought the first trade of this and couldn't believe that Grant actually wrote it. I understood all of it. LOL! Oh, and 5 is the top and 1 is the bottom. In that case, he gets a 4 from me. But I can completely see why people don't like him. He can be needlessly convoluted...
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Post by Lantern Lad on Aug 20, 2008 22:56:05 GMT -5
I gave him a two.
Animal Man was brilliant...
JLA Was very cool, but the ending fizzled (IMO)
New X-Men was good, but ultimately undone (not his fault, though)
All Star Supes is fun.
Everything else just kinda soars right over my head. The man is brilliant... I mean he reads articles on quantum physics for fun.
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Post by Dr Dread on Aug 20, 2008 23:01:18 GMT -5
My exposure to Grant Morrisson is somewhat limited.
I read his Animal Man, which was great. I'm reading All Star Superman, which is great. I'm enjoying Final Crisis, which gets better with each issue.
I missed his X-Men run I'm not reading Batman RIP, which I kind of regret (but hey, that's why they make TPs) I haven't read any of his JLA yet.
So, personally, I haven't read anything that hasn't been great by him (I've gotten similar exposure to Mark Millar; and the exact opposite for Judd Winnick).
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Post by Lantern Lad on Aug 20, 2008 23:10:25 GMT -5
I'm not reading Batman RIP, which I kind of regret (but hey, that's why they make TPs) That's probably the best way to read it... a month between issues I think doesn't help when each ish gets weirder & weirder.
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Post by brigante133 on Aug 21, 2008 1:48:04 GMT -5
I used to dislike Grant Morrison because I remember he said something in an interview that pissed me off so I decided he was dead to me and I wouldn't read a single thing he wrote. But wounds heal with time and I forgot what it is that pissed me off so much that made me swear him off and I read a bunch of his stuff. My friend let me borrow a crapload of comics and I read his entire X Men run, got caught up with Batman, checked out some of his non mainstream stuff (really liked Kill Your Boyfriend, will buy that reprint since I don't own it) and reread some of the JLA stuff that I had already read before then. And I liked pretty much all of it which led me to buy Final Crisis which I absolutely can't get enough of. So yeah, I gave him a five. I don't find it convoluted at all.
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Post by Admin on Aug 21, 2008 6:49:25 GMT -5
I gave him four. There's lots of stuff of his I really like (Zenith, The New Adventures of Hitler, Dan Dare, Big Dave, Animal Man, Doom Patrol, St. Swithin's Day, and All-Star Superman spring to mind), some of it I think is good, such as Arkham Asylum, Justice League, X-Men, and Batman: RIP (just to keep the conspiracy fires burning, his story, with its initials title, questioning of Bruce's parentage, and use of Bat-Mite also has similarities to one of my fanfics O.R.). and then there's some stuff which just leaves me cold (Bible John, Sebastian O, Invisibles). Not sure where Final Crisis fits in there yet, too early to say.
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Post by HoM on Aug 21, 2008 7:03:44 GMT -5
I adored The New Adventures of Hitler. I so bloody happy when I found the pile of Crisis (wasn't it Crisis? That or something equally as British) with that serial inside. It was so insane and simple and beautiful. I wanted to read his Dan Dare, but have only ever seen the end of it. Animal Man was brilliant, Doom Patrol was inspired (The Beard Hunter?! Come on!!) and I have to say that whilst Arkham Asylum is pretentious on one level, my film teacher always said "What's wrong with being pretentious?". It's a really interesting story, and I loved the link from that book and Batman's characterisation to his Justice League of America run.
New X-Men got me into X-Men again. I was always a sparse reader of comics, but I think NXM was the first ongoing I really got into. The first "real" ongoing, anyway. Invisibles is something I wish I had got into, but have only read the odd issue, so I don't want to judge until I finally pick up all the TPBs. Seaguy, We3 and Vimanarama are minis that I love, especially Seaguy, and I cannot wait for the sequel.
What else? Hum. Batman was hit and miss for me to begin with. I thought Batman and Son was a bad place to start his run at, but it grew on me exponentially. I mean come on, the Club of Heroes arc was beautiful. Art and words came together there perfectly.
I'm going to give him 5. I enjoy his work. Sometime I'm confused, and sometime I have to think, but I like having to think! I like things being a challenge to read. I want to be intrigued by what I'm reading, and not bored. I guess that's why I've leant more and more toward Vertigo and the other MR stuff out there in the past year or so.
Final Crisis? I'm adoring that book and its tie ins. It's burning the hole back into my pocket.
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Post by Brandon on Aug 21, 2008 8:59:19 GMT -5
I like him. ;D
I'd go into detail but we'd be here all day.
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Post by Merai on Aug 21, 2008 9:41:38 GMT -5
Varies. ADORE his JLA, Invisibles, All-Star Supes, Seven Soldiers and Final Crisis so far. On the other hand, absolutely HATED New X-Men and he's written some bad things including a mediocre FF mini and one or two of Seven Soldiers. He's at his best when he goes insane, IMO, which probably explains why his Marvel stuff has a tendency to suck.(Marvel's unquestionably more realistic than DC)
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Post by Zoom on Aug 21, 2008 19:01:44 GMT -5
I love that guy. Five Stars.
OwO
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Post by chris on Aug 23, 2008 9:51:20 GMT -5
Five stars for me. Like Brandon, we'd be here all day if I went into detail but I will say that his runs on X-Men and JL were amazing to me.
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Post by Merai on Aug 24, 2008 19:17:21 GMT -5
Just to throw in- I don't think it would be at all surprising to anyone to suggest that Grant Morrison clearly adores the Silver Age. I mean, everyone has their own preferred era- from Golden to Modern- but Morrison's always been rooted in Silver Age- though alwaus modernising and updating concepts from that age, for better or worse. Since I have always been a fan of the Silver Age over even the Golden Age and whatnot myself, that's always sat well with me.
But I do think it's also detrimental to him at times, when he fails to distinguish between unnecesary changes, and beneficial ones. Allow me to give an example- right now, in Final Crisis, he is modernising Kirby's New Gods and, to some degree, bringing them back to their roots as unknowable beings of indescribable power, rather than glorified Superman punching bags. I would argue that because the New Gods were such a labour of love for Kirby and he is keeping all the symbolism and metaphor, it works a lot. Morrison has ignored the depictions of (For example) arch nemesis Darkseid that have come SINCE then and restored him to the creator's intent.
However, at X-Men, Morrison did a similar thing to a degree, bringing themes from the old X-Men books to the present... but I'd argue that Lee and Kirby's X-Men was significently weaker than other material such as the Fourth World or, indeed, Lee/Kirby's own other work on FF, Avengers etc. Hence, take the X-Men arch-nemesis Magneto, for whom Morrison ignored the work of other creators (Notably CLaremont) since then and restored him to the creator's intent. The problem is that as originally concieved, Silver Age Magneto was an uninspired and uninteresting lunatic, whereas the character he had become under Claremont was a deep, rich character who had become deeper than most characters in comicdom. So we ended up with "Planet X" which was thankfully retconned rapidly, and featured a bizarre take on Magneto inconsistent with anything seen since the sixties and, frankly, a FAR more dull one.
Just my take on how Morrison applied the same principle to two different franchises and got it very right on one and very wrong on the other.
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Post by Ammunition88 on Nov 25, 2008 1:27:04 GMT -5
hmmm... is there anything lower than a one? lol.... I loved his JLA run back in the day but now...... I can barely stand to read anything by him.... he's butchering my favorite hero(Batman) and I'll never forgive him for that........ and as for Final Crisis.... it's okay at best..... it would be a heckuva lot better if he wasn't so busy trying to use it to showcase his stupid japanese replacements for the forever people....... bottom line: used to be cool, now sucks..... thanks for your time lol
-Cam-
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Post by UltimateDC on Nov 25, 2008 2:51:47 GMT -5
Grant Morrisson is a crazy Scottish bastard.
But I still love the guy.
-UDC
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Post by HoM on Nov 25, 2008 6:30:55 GMT -5
Every opinion is welcomed
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Post by David on Nov 25, 2008 19:48:50 GMT -5
I don't have any great love for Batman--- which is perhaps why I am enjoying his run on the title so much! Can't wait 'til the conclusion tomorrow!
Final Crisis has been pretty good so far, too, but the delays are frustrating.
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Post by impulseallen on Nov 25, 2008 19:55:18 GMT -5
I like Morrison's writing but I much prefer reading his writing in trades. Because he always leaves a lot of clues and stuff throughout a plotline that confuses me when I forget about it after a month lol. It can sometimes get confusing with the obscure characters but his writing usually pays off in the end. I gave his writing a 4/5
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