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Post by wesson on Apr 17, 2007 16:20:07 GMT -5
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Post by darthsylly on Apr 17, 2007 16:55:18 GMT -5
so if we do some cross promotion, we can widen each other's audience That sounds like a great idea, what do you think Don? And for the record I visited UDCU just now and it looks like the confusing site layout has been altered. Much easier to navigate now. |
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Post by David on Apr 17, 2007 19:57:48 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I spent about an hour trying to register to the new UDCU (I was a lurker on the old board), but could not get my account activated, couldn't post in the "Announce Yourself" forum (as instructed), and dispite the interesting look of the site, just gave up in frustration. In my defense, I'm no neophyte to site design (I created this site, after all!)--- and no matter what trouble you're having with trolls (we've had our fair share), one has to balance that hassle with member acessibility. Bottom line is, these things should be easier. I just don't have the time to waste. I guess I'll never know if UDCU is worth the effort, and I'm probably not alone...  |
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Post by lissilambe on Apr 17, 2007 21:26:39 GMT -5
Hello again, to all of you. Here's some more answers and comments, in response to what's come up. First of all, I've checked with our main tech guy, Eric, and he assures me that we've done nothing to change the layout of the site. Not sure what's been streamlined, but we're happy to take bows for such a thing if you're happier with it.  On the subject of rules for claiming titles and character: if you feel ours are too complicated, restrictive and lengthy, then there's little that can be done, aside from shrinking up the language, or remaking them. At the moment, we feel that the rules are complete, but nothing out of sorts, and I feel it's comparative with the rules here (not the same as, merely of equal weight). Rules for Elseworlds are even more lax, since really, nearly anything goes over there as long as it's DC-oriented. I'm not sure what you feel your series violated, if you'd like to PM me about it, I'd be happy to discuss it. In the end, it's neither here nor there. If you find this place more to your tastes, then more power to you, I say. We hope to provide a strong and hospitable community to everyone, but I'm not here to change your mind, and am glad you found a place you feel good in. Nothing in the world better than that, I think (Well, few things better, anyway). A link to our site? Sure, here it is again, in case the CBR one posted prior doesn't work (or whatever). s15.invisionfree.com/temporaryboard/index.php?We're happy to have any and all of you interested in checking us out do so. I agree, we can only strengthen our niche, and expand our respective communities by bonds of interest and friendship. And if anyone feels a wish to join our writing crew, even better. Plenty of tempting characters still in need of a title. A big difference between here and our group though: we do not have editors like you do. Sylly mentioned not being able to reach the Elseworlds editor. There's a reason for that: we don't have people in that position. There are four of us (myself, Eric the Pilot, Mockingbird and the Rouge Rogue) who administer to the site. THere are two fora, In-Continuity request board, and Elseworlds request board, and as I mentioned to Sylly when I told him about how to pitch way back when, and titles that wish to be claimed should be posted in here. We also have a Claims Directory done up in alphabetical order and by claimant/title, so you can check out quickly who has what character. Mockingbird and I have made ourselves available to the site as a whole for those who would like an edit of their story, but that's it. We're not "editors" in the sense of a comic company. Last but not least, Idlewilder, your concerns about being able to register sent three of us to go through the process, to make sure it works, and hasn't broken down somewhere (a couple of times, we've had that issue). THe process is working, though we've tweaked it so that the link to the activation boards sent to your email takes you directly there now. Should all be fine, if you would want to try again. If not, we understand completely, and we're sorry to have had it so hard on you (and others). Anyway, that's all for now. Come on over and check us out or not, at your leisure, everyone, and thanks for listening to my side of this tale. Take care Don |
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Post by Romans Empire on Apr 18, 2007 0:02:26 GMT -5
I just tried to re-join and couldn't get through the whole process. The link doesn't work. Sorry but it was very frustrating and discouraging. Not the way I would go personally. I just wanted to check out the GA series but couldn't.
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Post by darthsylly on Apr 18, 2007 4:55:40 GMT -5
*comments retracted*
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Post by Admin on Apr 18, 2007 7:57:12 GMT -5
Last but not least, Idlewilder, your concerns about being able to register sent three of us to go through the process, to make sure it works, and hasn't broken down somewhere (a couple of times, we've had that issue). THe process is working, though we've tweaked it so that the link to the activation boards sent to your email takes you directly there now. Should all be fine, if you would want to try again. If not, we understand completely, and we're sorry to have had it so hard on you (and others). After a lot of hassle, I finally managed to announce myself there. I think the problem is that you're just shown the Announce Yourself forum that seems empty, so you're not sure how to announce yourself (clicking on New Topic wasn't obvious, since I just assumed that it would tell me I wasn't allowed to do it, like everything else I was clicking on). I finally figured it out using the forum jump to go to the "Please Read Before Posting" section. It might be more helpful if the activation process took you directly to that page. Still, I can't help feeling that keeping everything unreadable to the world at large is a bad idea. It makes it hard to advertise the site, and some of the members will join just out of curiosity (and others that might be interested will miss it). Having said that, I realise that it's your site and you're perfectly obliged to run it in any way you see fit. Also, some e-mail providers will probably just block your activation e-mails. That's what I've found with some sites I've tried to join, and the reason why I changed this site to not demand activation (non-activated accounts here should be able to do everything except receive site e-mail). |
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Post by dragonbat on Apr 18, 2007 8:50:19 GMT -5
I feel more comfortable joining a site that lets me read the rules before I register, so that I can decide if it's the right place for me. Otherwise, it feels like you want me to sign on the dotted line before I read the contract.
Any chance your policies and procedures could be made available to guests/unlogged in users?
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Post by lissilambe on Apr 18, 2007 11:31:57 GMT -5
Hello. Some more answers: Rules should now be accessible prior to full membership. Eric tells me they always should have been, but occasionally we have threads slip around on us (don't ask me how, I never understand these things lol) and it's corrected now. So that shouldn't be an issue. As Sylly has pointed out, we really don't have rules on our Elseworlds series. We'll have a small block of text to explain it, but in all honesty, we have very few rules on Elseworlds. As for each of Darth Sylly's points, I don't know what to say. Yes, we always look at new processes and look over our old procedures, seeing what works and what doesn't. As for the rest of your argument...I'm not sure what you're arguing. I've said, if you're happy here, that's great. I don't know why you're going about cutting and pasting our PM (the P standing for private) and hitting me with all these grievances. I speak in a formal way, to just about everyone. I started off what I said so you knew that what I did had nothing to do with my opinion on your story. Elseworlds rules pretty much sums up as this: "All stories must have DC characters as stars, have no deadline or cast limits, each title has their own continuity and never ever crosses over into the continuity of the UDCU itself, and should be of limited duration. Elseworlds isn't to be a place to run an unlimited title that you weren't able to claim in the UDCU." That's a brief, but fairly accurate summary of the Elseworlds rules, and while the language might come out more precise...shouldn't be much more than that. Never said you needed to get the swing of things to learn how the forum works, just to get used to all of the various stories and discussions going on. I misinterpreted your use of the word busy, since someone else earlier had mentioned not being sure where to start since there was so much there. That's how I interpreted busy. You meant busy in that the layout seemed overly-confusing. I find that there's a lot of stuff to read on this board too, and thus it's "busy" in my sense, but if I get to feel welcome, then I'll eventually sort it all out. As I said, the layout hasn't changed except in the most mild of ways (with a board being moved into one category, or re-alphabetizing, and the like), so I'm not sure what has changed for you. We're glad you're happier with the layout though. Beyond that, not sure what else to say. Sorry that trying to join has been so difficult. We've had two other new members join during all of this, but we'll try to make the links lead to more obvious elements. I do recommend clicking on the "read here before posting" which now reads "Welcome to the UDCU, read this first", and at the end of that message links straight to the announce yourself board, opening a new topic for you. We'll discuss other methods of entry in the meantime. And yes, you have a larger base, and yes, we'll look at what you're doing here (just as we look at what's done in other places; we're constantly looking over other places when we get the chance). Finally, we have a good and loyal and solid group of people, so we can't be all the paranoid monsters we seem to be to you guys. Well, that's all for now. I'll be back for my next round of whippings later. Take care Don |
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Post by Admin on Apr 18, 2007 13:47:23 GMT -5
A quick public apology to Don feels appropriate here. I'm sure that faults can be found on both his site and this one, and I'm also sure that they both have their respective merits. If people feel the need to criticise his site, or have problems accessing it, then they're free to PM Don, who'll hopefully handle it with the good grace that he's shown so far. However, considering our contents might appeal to both sets of members, then we really should be encouraging our members to check his site out, rather than deterring them (and hopefully they'll do the same with our site).
I've managed to register on the UDCU site now (it can be done) and there's definitely some stories and characters there that I'm interested in reading. If you've got the time, then it's definitely worth checking out.
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Post by darthsylly on Apr 18, 2007 14:20:49 GMT -5
In Mark's spirit I also offer to Don a pulic apology; my original motivation for this thread was just disappointment and mixed feelings about finding a second place like DC2 but which ended up being a bad experience for me, not an intention bashing of another site for the sake of it.
I'm sorry for dragging this on and herby retract my comments. I maintain I have a lot of respect for what UDCU attempts to achieve and I obviously just didn't get the way it goes about achieving it.
Don, if you could drop me a PM either here or on UDCU I'd like to make a private apology and maybe talk about re-posting my comic on UDCU.
Thanks,
- Syl
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