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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 0:50:34 GMT -5
Good lord, that was more like a blog post. ;D Sorry, I'm just long-winded sometimes.
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Post by arcalian on Feb 3, 2007 1:48:53 GMT -5
For Anime/Manga, I reccomend Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040 and Gunsmith Cats. For those who think of Dragonball or Pokemon, they're eye openers.
As for the art from as a whole, apply the Theodore Sturgeon rule.
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Post by Crow on Feb 3, 2007 9:15:27 GMT -5
Well said guys!
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 9:17:25 GMT -5
Cowboy Bebop is greatness. And the movie did something that really rarely happens. It was just as good, maybe even better, than the original. IMO that is, you might disagree.
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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 9:42:37 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen the movie for Bebop, Chuck. I liked the series though. I'd have to say my favorite anime is Trigun. Vash the Stampede!
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 10:11:05 GMT -5
I never saw that!
Hey, did you ever watch that episode of Bebop?
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Post by brigante133 on Feb 3, 2007 11:03:41 GMT -5
I'm a pretty big fan of neo-traditionalists, heavy liners, and of the simpler artforms to rest further over on the abstract side of sequential artwork. I can't remember if it was eisner or miller who said it but they said that most american comics these days look brown. everything is muted and so overblown with digital effects that you kind of lose the beauty in a really escapist comic where the characters are supposed to wear bold bright colors. Its like how on that ultimate captain america (cringe) where they replace the red on his costume with brown, i can't stand that shit, it ruins look of the character to make him more "realistic". [block]But on the opposite end you have "indie" or non-traditional styles rolling in and that's what I'm finding interesting. It evokes a more personal and interpretive way of storytelling for me and can go places symbolically that realism styles are completely incapable of. Eisner was the master and if you ever need to find the center to the comic art world, he's it. Step to the left of him and you see so many of the artists mentioned before and others: Darwyn Cooke, Jeff Smith, Mike Allred, Bruce Timm, Melinda Gebbie, Mike Mignola, Kevin O'Neil, Dean Trippe, Kyle Baker, Frank Espinosa, Bryan Lee O'Malley, and many others. Simple, powerful, and evocative. also hester/parks, i dont think those guys get enough credit for doing their own thing in comics today, after they got their shot with g.a. from kevin smith they have been able to get work in both companies which is pretty awesome. also frank miller. to me miller was like a gateway drug into non marvel/dc comics since after i read sin city i started readinga lot of will eisner and then i started reading more and more comics about characters other than batman and green lantern .  i see a lot of felix the cat in astro boy for some reason. sorry man, all i know is this: when you go into a book store you can expect to see like a whole aisle of nothing but anime graphic novels. if you are a depressed high school girl who likes my chemical romance they have anime for you and if you are a depressed littel high school boy who listens to afi they have anime for you and its become that the market is aimed at those buyers that really, when I look at the audiece a majority of those new manga/anime graphic novels are aimed at I can't imagine myself interested in it. its just the market for anime is oversaturated with crap its hard to take seriously. also i really dont like the tone of most them, they are fast. REALLY fast. over there they tell stories at a way faster speed than american comics and its just kinda like being forced through it as fast as you can and while that is cool in some cases, its kinda like living your life in some f'd up alternate reality where everyone talks like the gilmore girls. this is not to say i hate ALL anime, hell its like saying you hate ALL rap music since its pretty much had an influence on everything that came after it and to be fair in the fifth and sixth grade i used to watch pokemon and dbz like it was crack. but what about adam hughes all star?!? you mean THAT wont be made for little girls?!? its adam hughes so certainly it wont be written for horny old men and teenagers! does this mean your kids won't read romero muerte: detective of the damned and corpsewood?!? what kind of father are you?! ;D |
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 11:39:09 GMT -5
Sounds like a good one |
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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 13:25:13 GMT -5
i see a lot of felix the cat in astro boy for some reason. Ha. Same difference. Again, to understand this new market you may want to paint a picture like that of depressed teen girls but that's really not any more fair than saying all superhero comic fans are like the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. The market is huge and it ranges from my friend Tony who is around my age (growing up on G-Force and Voltron and moving on to thing like Serial Experiments Lain and stuff I've probably never heard of) to my two oldest nephews (one just turning 13 and the other several years younger) who have grown up playing Mega Man video games and are now moving on to Naruto cartoons. I'm considering buying them the mangas for their birthdays (which currently dominate the graphic novel market outside of the odd high profile comic adaptations like V for Vendetta, Sin City, or 300) just to try to get them into comics. Young girls are all about Love Hina. I don't know why but there must be something to it. I do know as long as American superhero comics try to dismiss or ignore the new market and play to the niche audience they've established, the more and more likely they are in danger or making themselves obsolete. I'm not saying let's make all comics manga, but would it hurt to have some Batgirl, Supergirl, or Wonder Woman comics aimed at this market? You've been to DeviantART. Teen Titans Go fan art is everywhere. Why isn't DC trying harder to hold these fans? And why are traditional fans so resistant to it? Ha. I do actually think that book will have a better chance at attracting a female audience even though Hughes has a pin-up cheesecake quality. Sort of like Frank Cho with Liberty Meadows or Linsner's phenomenon of female fans with Dawn. Ahahaha. *glares* |
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Post by brigante133 on Feb 3, 2007 13:47:44 GMT -5
yes... i've been to d.a. and know its RABIDLY popular there. in fact a bunch of people there that add pictures from dc2's deathstroke are in that group so i know its popular but i just think that a lot of anime is soo stale and i know american comics dont have the greatest stereotypical fan but still... its just bothersome to see SOOO many anime stuff being ate up when i go to barnes and noble. maybe i'm just bitter, i dunno.
since when was glaring an answer???
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 13:49:33 GMT -5
*waves*
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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 13:55:59 GMT -5
Hey Charlie.
Well, that's the thing. The audience is hovering around a few hundred thousand for American comics and manga is just doing bigger numbers. No reason to be mad at them for finding the readers. More importantly why is DC focused on one narrowing demographic instead of trying to get out there to as many people as possible?
Marvel may be doing a sloppy throw everything at the wall to see what sticks approach, but at least they are really trying to find new angles.
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 14:01:16 GMT -5
Yeah, didn't Marvel attempt a Manga range of books in the early/mid nineties? Spider-Man Manga, X-Men Manga? I'm not talking Mangaverse, I'm talking about Japanese talent doing Japanese versions of the character. I think they were interesting none the less. And speaking of Mangaverse... Yeah, Marvel are all the rage for trying to do something for money. They'll grab any concept that can get them money, and they'll run with it. Also, Kia Asamiya's Uncanny arc (a mistake in execution)...
I'm not sure about Superman Manga, or Wonder Woman Manga, but reading Batman: The Third Mask in Batman Black and White by... Katsuhiro Otomo... I believe it can be done in the DCU. And I'd buy it.
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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 14:12:31 GMT -5
I think with the Spider-man (and I'm guessing the X-men), those were actual mangas done in Japan and then later reprinted here. Just like there is a version of Spider-man printed in India specifically created for that market.
I would love to just see more styles and approaches to superhero comics in general. Cooke's Final Frontier has been enough of a success (financially and critically) to warrant action figures and a direct to DVD animated movie. Why not more stuff like this? It's cool to see graphic novels and collections in place likes the Target kid's book section, but it's still just baby steps in tearing down the wall that's been built in the direct market.
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Post by HoM on Feb 3, 2007 14:24:27 GMT -5
true, true...
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Post by Brandon on Feb 12, 2007 8:56:52 GMT -5
Now that's what I'm talking about!   |
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Post by brigante133 on Feb 12, 2007 10:19:27 GMT -5
Lucky little runts...
Ha, Check out how the uncomfortable the kid on the bottom right corner is.
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Post by HoM on Feb 12, 2007 13:37:31 GMT -5
"STOP TOUCHING ME!"
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Post by chris on Feb 28, 2007 19:44:41 GMT -5
Geeks.
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