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Post by HoM on Jan 26, 2007 3:10:23 GMT -5
And discuss. Points to anyone who can tell us what that device is between Lord and Jade. Phantom Zone Projector?
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Post by HoM on Jan 26, 2007 3:11:27 GMT -5
I'm thinking Hypertime crossover? That's Ibn as Batman, isn't it? Maybe Tim as Red Robin, I'm not sure!
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Post by HoM on Jan 26, 2007 3:39:36 GMT -5
Also, yellow light coming from Kyle's ring? Green Arrow in his "old" costume? The distance between Green Arrow and Black Canary? Superman crying his lil' eyes out?
I'm thinking that when Earth-1 heroes die they go to Earth-2. I'd need to pick up the Infinite Crisis hardcover to figure that out for sure though.
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 26, 2007 4:06:06 GMT -5
how about that draping blue cloth that wonder woman and superman crying on? do you think they laid it down because they decided the statue of liberties head would be a cold place to mourn?
why are questions legs destroyed? is he really that inactive below the waist?
why isnt nova there? wasnt he some player in this whole thing?
would donna have had to have her old suit adjusted before she could fit in it or do you think she's kept her teenage body even in the afterlife?
i see no hood, thats a good thing but good golly miss molly, where is ollies awesome archer's cap?!?
we must have answers!
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Post by starlord on Jan 26, 2007 6:21:49 GMT -5
where did the picture come from?
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 26, 2007 7:50:28 GMT -5
dc put it up with only that picture and some words. i forget them but its for the next event and its done, as you can see, by phil jiminez
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Post by David on Jan 26, 2007 9:45:23 GMT -5
The dead seem to be the high-profile casualties of Infinite Crisis (Pre-OYL, as Superman is in-costume--- though what does the Red Robin costume portend?!?)... I have to agree and say that this is a Multiverse thing!
;D
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Post by starlord on Jan 26, 2007 10:37:56 GMT -5
Yep, the cat is out of the bag if you read DC Nation and figured out the code. The multiverse lives!
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 26, 2007 23:40:51 GMT -5
its hard to see it, but on the high res version, slightly about the golden ring is a tiny red gloved arm reaching out.
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Post by Dr Dread on Jan 27, 2007 11:47:57 GMT -5
If you notice, right next to Black Canary there's a tiny, tiny little hand in a red glove sticking out of the ground.
And there's what appears to be a Legion flight ring next to Blue Beetle.
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Post by Crow on Jan 28, 2007 9:16:54 GMT -5
I don't even know what to think...all it said was new event? Is this connected to 52's end, or WWIII or the multiple stuff going on in JSA?
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Post by moonwing on Jan 28, 2007 22:37:39 GMT -5
In my mind, the bigest clue has got to be Batman. When (if ever) do you see Batman in an ad not wearing what we all know and love as "The Bat-Suit"?
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Post by Crow on Jan 29, 2007 23:41:22 GMT -5
In my mind, the bigest clue has got to be Batman. When (if ever) do you see Batman in an ad not wearing what we all know and love as "The Bat-Suit"? True. What if, instead of being his son Damien, this is an alternate reality Batman who was swayed by Ra's al Ghul? I know it's probably unlikely, but sounds like a cool idea. Elseworlds!
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Post by moonwing on Jan 31, 2007 1:08:16 GMT -5
I don't think it sounds that far fetched, Bruce Wayne in the right frame of mind (especialy a little earlier in his quest to become batman) could easily fall prey to the demon's vices.
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Post by Crow on Jan 31, 2007 9:40:08 GMT -5
Is this supposed to be the event that comes at the end 52 (in March was it?).
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Post by HoM on Jan 31, 2007 11:17:28 GMT -5
"Countdown"? It's written by Paul Dini and Sean McKeever (and plenty more I suppose) and is told in present continuity, but it counts down from 52 to 0, probably in countdown to the BIG EVENT. I personally can't afford to get it. Well I can. But I'd prefer to have money.
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Post by Crow on Jan 31, 2007 23:17:50 GMT -5
Wait wait wait wait. Ditzy moment here. This event is Countdown? That picture up there (points upward) is Countdown? Because if it's a reverse 52 I'd love it, but I need some time after 52 to rest lol
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Post by HoM on Feb 1, 2007 9:53:31 GMT -5
When 52 ends, Countdown begins, and I think Countdown might countdown to this event. I'm not sure. I'm not Dan Didio!!! OR AM I!?
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Post by Brandon on Feb 1, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -5
Countdown (as rumored as of yet) will begin the month after 52 with the issue number 51 and count all the way back down, presumably to... the next big event?
I hate to be a wet blanket as I know some of you are excited about this, but I really think I'm suffering from neverending Event fatigue. Between Civil War and Identity/Infinite/52/Countdown Crisis it's just more hype than I can handle. I looked at the teaser image and just couldn't care. Ha. It is nice to see that Barry at least has a chance of returning though. But all the Kingdom Come and "look to the skies" business just isn't grabbing me. I do think the teaser image was a smart bit of internet hyping though.
I am really enjoying All-Star Superman at the moment and its very light continuity.
Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Post by HoM on Feb 1, 2007 10:15:57 GMT -5
I'm picking up two books now, and one is a book that's $1.99 and is a done in one story with 16 pages. Fell. It rocks.
I'm getting cheap and picky.
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Post by Crow on Feb 1, 2007 11:34:02 GMT -5
When I was younger, I wasted tons of money buying all of my favorite books and the events and spending anywhere from 6 to 20 dollars a week (which was a pretty good amount of cash to shell out for the 1.95 comics I used to buy), especially that I was a kid with a small allowance.
Now I have to say that I've fallen off Marvel simply because every minute I turn around, they have events going on. It's cool in one way, but a bit intimidating for me, because between them and DC, I can't keep up. Right now they try to spit out as many comics as possible. The Ultimate Line, Civil War, Civil War tie ins, Civil War mini-series tie ins, Annihilation, the comics unrelated to all of this stuff, and then a few elseworld/what if like stories and A-Z books. Once upon a time, I would have tried, but right now it's too much.
In DC I don't feel too overwhelmed, but I have become more protective of my money. As soon as I hear a comic is not to my liking (i.e. Flash title, of which I used to be an avid fan) I drop it, and if it picks up I get the TPB later on. In fact, besides buying 52 (and previously LOSH/SG & LOSH) and the occasional extra book, all I do nowadays is get TPBs once a month on storylines that I really love, or wanted to read in the past.
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Post by HoM on Feb 1, 2007 11:56:33 GMT -5
Ha, I'm just sick of wasting my money on crap!
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Post by arcalian on Feb 1, 2007 12:41:00 GMT -5
I'm down to Titans at this point, and probably soon not even that. Like I said, DC2 is my home now.
And HoM, I think we can all agree that you are not Dididididio, and that's a Very Good Thing.
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Post by HoM on Feb 1, 2007 12:46:36 GMT -5
Cheers...
Heh!
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Post by Brandon on Feb 2, 2007 9:01:32 GMT -5
I'm mostly feeling a move I think away from the pseudo-realism that Marvel has popularized in recent years. And the shock value events are way up. I almost don't want another Crisis because of how many more beloved characters could potentially bite the dust. I'm more excited about character driven stuff coming up like the new Batgirl and Wonder Woman All-Star books. Cooke on The Spirit. Jeff Smith on Captain Marvel. And can only hope somebody at DC gives a Wonder Woman project to Tintin Pantoja. Marvel is crazy right now. How many continuities/universes do they have going? 616, Ultimate, Supreme Power, New Universe, Marvel Adventures, Marvel Next (Spider-girl)... are Max and Marvel Knights different universes? Anyway, it's a lot. If you were a kid who wanted to read Fantastic Four after seeing the movie, you'd have like 3 or 4 completely different books to decide from.
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Post by artteach on Feb 2, 2007 10:22:20 GMT -5
Trade paperbacks are my way to read comics now. I buy very few issues and just wait for the trade. It's generally cheaper, it is easier to enjoy the story, and generally if something makes TPB it usually a little better.
KSM- Magna WW no no no no don't even think about it. Bad enough Superman had a few years of looking like Goku with that Ed Mcginnis (spelling). Wonder Woman is not anime. Anime was created so artist with little training and little pay could crank out cheap cartoons to destroy young American's minds. No No NO
Okay breath! I don't read alot of marvel. The Ultimate line is the best of Marvel but they really decompress the story. Some issues go by and nothing happens at all. In the need to make every storyline 6 issues long they just stretch too much.
Supreme Power and most of the Supreme books are some of the best things MArvel has going for it.
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Post by HoM on Feb 2, 2007 17:51:12 GMT -5
I think you've GREATLY dismissed manga as an artform Steve! Manga was created as a reaction to comics in the US, and the views that the Japanese had of the West when that art movement began. To say... God, to say what you just said is a terrible thing! I can't actually believe it I dropped Supreme Power around #12. It was awesome, but there was so MUCH awesome going on around that time, something had to give. And JMS just didn't do it for me.
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Post by Crow on Feb 2, 2007 21:33:26 GMT -5
Supreme Power was good, but lost a real focus after a while. But all in all, it was great, and even my girlfriend got into it. I didn't like it when it became Squadron Supreme and lost it's MAX imprint, and I didn't bothered with the mini series because I just wanted to see what they'd do with the world.
Anime can be very very repetitious , monotonous and the art very simple. It can. BUT, there are plenty of examples of extremely well drawn, good quality story animes that westerners can only dream of it. Some of them I see today, I'll say "This is the same crap over and over again". The DBZ syndrome.
Guy fights villain, trains, fights villain B, trains, beats villain A and B but then find they are subordinates of Villain C, and then die/come close to dying, train, gather friends, fight villain, almost die, come back because of either friendship, willpower or justice, beat villain. Rinse, repeat, dry.
But there are plenty of ones (I remember we posted in the old thread Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Neon Evangelion and more) can be very memorable.
And if you think about it now, a lot of american cartoons have become anime clones with even lesser quality.
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Post by Crow on Feb 2, 2007 21:35:32 GMT -5
Can anybody tell me why is there squidbillies and 10 oz mouse on Adult Swim? Pure crap I say.
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Post by Brandon on Feb 3, 2007 0:49:34 GMT -5
I'm a pretty big fan of neo-traditionalists, heavy liners, and of the simpler artforms to rest further over on the abstract side of sequential artwork. I'm seeing many mainstream styles re-emerge from indie status after a long wait under the various ranges of the dominating "superhero style". Taken to the extreme is what I'm seeing at Marvel these days with the painterly imitations. The heavier worked shading, colors, and tones of the pseudo-realism in full swing at Marvel are far from anything new, it's simply that with the introduction of Painter and Photoshop it's gotten WAY easier to do (and fake). Some people dig it and I wouldn't fault them for it for a second. But on the opposite end you have "indie" or non-traditional styles rolling in and that's what I'm finding interesting. It evokes a more personal and interpretive way of storytelling for me and can go places symbolically that realism styles are completely incapable of. Eisner was the master and if you ever need to find the center to the comic art world, he's it. Step to the left of him and you see so many of the artists mentioned before and others: Darwyn Cooke, Jeff Smith, Mike Allred, Bruce Timm, Melinda Gebbie, Mike Mignola, Kevin O'Neil, Dean Trippe, Kyle Baker, Frank Espinosa, Bryan Lee O'Malley, and many others. Simple, powerful, and evocative. For anime and manga, I think it is a simple matter of artforms taking different paths. In America it went one way, in Japan you can really see the influences of early American animation styles. I think most of what you see in Japan is traced directly back to one point: Astro Boy. In this singular catalyst for all that was to come you see a character with his roots in Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop as easily as you can see groundbreaking forward thinking styles and techniques. It set the Japanese art scene off in a different direction only to have it come back around and merge into our mainstream. Where do all the big eyes in manga come from? Well, Walt Disney! I think on the surface the style seems to seem impenetrable to some who throw it all under the Dragonball or Pokemon categories. How many times was DBZ evoked in fan rants about the Teen Titans cartoon when it really owed to so many other innovative series: Fooly Cooly, Akira, Battle of the Planets, and tons of non-Eastern styles as well. If anything its synthesis of East and West seemed more of a reclaiming of the long-since-abandoned traditions in American animation that John Kricfalusi champions on a regular basis in his blog. There is a HUGE variety in art, visual tools, and approaches in anime and manga once you get past the surface similarites and it's been influencing our mainstream for a long time. Frank Miller and Lone Wolf and Cub as one of the most noticeable examples. And for studio styles in general, American comics were founded on them as both Eisner and early comic publishers relied on them often. It's what some do to get comics out on time, another long-since-forgotten tradition in American comics. But as for Ed McGuinness and Tintin Pantoja. I think they both have very strong styles that have roots in American comics as easily as manga. I love Ed McG's work and buy books often on his art alone but can also see his style following from 80s anime-styled american cartoons like Thundercats far more than actual anime. What I see in Tintin's work is an amazing connection to some of the core concepts of what Wonder Woman is and would actually buy say a Wonder Girl (Diana as a girl, which seems to be what she was doing in her proposal) title from her which is more than the mainstream Wonder Woman book has gotten me to do for a long time. And to actually have a book about Diana that girls would read? My god, it's revolutionary! But back to the point, the entire dark "realism" trend is getting me down and I think taking comics away from their mainstream and new audience appeal. It excites me to see artists and comics showing up that I could actually let my children read outside of Archie.
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