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Post by Dr Dread on Nov 4, 2008 22:21:53 GMT -5
It was announced today that DC was canceling Nightwing, Robin and Birds of Prey, with issues 153, 183 and 127 respectively. DC declined to state if these cancellations were due to poor sales. DC did state that Nightwing had monthly sales of 50000 copies, that's a healthy number. Birds of Prey (the lowest selling of the bunch) still outsells JLA Classified, JSA Classified and Jonah Hex* (sorry Susan  ). I have a feeling they may start a new "Batman family" book which may mix the three titles under one title. With Batman RIP still on-going, they may just reboot these series after RIP is done. What do you think?
*To check the sales reports I used for researching, go here:
www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstimates/CBGTitles.php?Publisher=DC |
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Post by theyallfalldown on Nov 5, 2008 13:45:48 GMT -5
It was announced today that DC was canceling Nightwing, Robin and Birds of Prey, with issues 153, 183 and 127 respectively. DC declined to state if these cancellations were due to poor sales. DC did state that Nightwing had monthly sales of 50000 copies, that's a healthy number. Birds of Prey (the lowest selling of the bunch) still outsells JLA Classified, JSA Classified and Jonah Hex* (sorry Susan ). I have a feeling they may start a new "Batman family" book which may mix the three titles under one title. With Batman RIP still on-going, they may just reboot these series after RIP is done. What do you think?
*To check the sales reports I used for researching, go here:
www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstimates/CBGTitles.php?Publisher=DCi would not be happy about this, i love birds of prey, and thought they had gone a long way to distance themselves fgrom being a bat book, its not been the same since gail, but i had just started getting into the new direction.. they may just be cancelled to run out the suspense of the new batman stuff |
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 5, 2008 15:22:06 GMT -5
I think that I will go and cry quietly in a corner for a bit, before I start writing more fanfiction. If DC won't tell these stories anymore, I guess I'll just have to. But I am NOT happy.
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Post by Alex on Nov 5, 2008 16:33:28 GMT -5
It was announced today that DC was canceling Nightwing, Robin and Birds of Prey, with issues 153, 183 and 127 respectively. DC declined to state if these cancellations were due to poor sales. DC did state that Nightwing had monthly sales of 50000 copies, that's a healthy number. Birds of Prey (the lowest selling of the bunch) still outsells JLA Classified, JSA Classified and Jonah Hex* (sorry Susan ). I have a feeling they may start a new "Batman family" book which may mix the three titles under one title. With Batman RIP still on-going, they may just reboot these series after RIP is done. What do you think?
*To check the sales reports I used for researching, go here:
www.comicbookpage.com/SalesEstimates/CBGTitles.php?Publisher=DCI heard about this awhile ago where they were going to relaunch all of the bat books (including Batman and Tec) each with cover art by Alex Ross that reflects the status quo. |
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Post by Romans Empire on Nov 5, 2008 18:21:20 GMT -5
I think that I will go and cry quietly in a corner for a bit, before I start writing more fanfiction. If DC won't tell these stories anymore, I guess I'll just have to. But I am NOT happy. I've heard some very interesting rumors, but since I haven't kept up with the bat books for several years now....I will wait to see some proof. If I had to bet though, I'd say that none of these books were canceled in the traditional sense, but relaunches were long overdue by todays standards. |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Nov 8, 2008 0:58:45 GMT -5
what do I think? I think Dan Didio is a total douche! He just HAS to find some way to get rid of Nightwing because he "doesn't get the character"...... Before he came on-board, DC was about to, for the first time in history, outsell marvel! then he came in and screwed things up.... his contract was supposed to be up in october, why the heck did they renew it?!....ok, now that I've blown up I feel better.....not that that will bring Nightwing back!
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Post by HoM on Nov 8, 2008 7:42:57 GMT -5
If they relaunch these titles, they'll inevitably sell more than they have for ages. Isn't that the nature of the re-#1-launch? I think that people are attracted to Alex Ross covers and new #1s. And if this is the start of some new status quo, then I believe it's probably one of the best ways to draw attention to it.
(Though I would hate it if they relaunched Batman and 'Tec, merely, because, you know. They're decade long staples of the DC line.)
This is a chance for these books to sell more than ever. Great jumping on points, new stories, new creative teams. Though I will miss Tomasi/Morales on Nightwing. When I picked that book up, it always impressed. And what can I say? Some collectors leap at Alex Ross covers like they did to Michael Turner (RIP) covers. Buzzzz...
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Nov 13, 2008 20:10:57 GMT -5
DC declined to state if these cancellations were due to poor sales. DC did state that Nightwing had monthly sales of 50000 copies, that's a healthy number. Birds of Prey (the lowest selling of the bunch) still outsells JLA Classified, JSA Classified and Jonah Hex* (sorry Susan ). If the current Jonah Hex book ever did those sort of numbers, I think I'd take it as a sign of the Apocalypse.  To be frank, DC is doing me a favor by cancelling these 3 books. I dropped Nightwing quite a while back (somewhere in the middle of the lukewarm Marv Wolfman arc). I was tired of spending $3 a month on so-so storyarcs and telling myself it'd get better...for two damn years I did this! As for Robin and BoP, they'd been bobbing up and down on my faves list for about the same period of time. There'd be good times (the jailbreak arc in BoP with all the new gals) and then there'd be painful times (evil Cassie in Robin...WTF?), and I just couldn't decide which one outweighed the other.  Now the decision is out of my hands. If they all get rebooted, I'm not coming back. If there's a combo Bat-title, I'll look into it. And if the notion being passed around that they reboot Batman & 'Tec to #1 actually happens...I think that's the deal-breaker for me. "Tec will be hitting #1000 in 150 issues, so rebooting and losing all that build-up just to get that shiny #1 is INSANE. Is Dan Didio afraid of history? Does he think new readers won't buy a book with a 4-digit count on the cover?  Every time something happens that makes me get pissy at DC, my husband starts whispering "Excelsior..." Seriously, he does! But I don't think I'd ever become a hardcore Marvel Zombie (though I am starting to pick up Captain America). I think I'd simply walk away from mainstream DCU, keep buying my Jonah Hex books (nope, no Crisis here!), and never look back. I'm 34, dammit. I don't need this fictionally-induced stress.  |
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Post by Dr Dread on Nov 13, 2008 20:43:04 GMT -5
In an interview, Dan Didio did explain what was going to happen to Nightwing, Robin and the Birds... So no reboot. Two new mini-series starting at #1. After those two mini-series? Only Didio knows.
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Post by >>Riz! on Nov 14, 2008 3:39:33 GMT -5
Blue Beetle was cancelled, too   |
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Post by HoM on Nov 14, 2008 4:40:07 GMT -5
I loved the first 25 issues of Blue Beetle. Those 25 issues were an exemplary piece of plotting, but after the finale to The Reach arc, I felt it lost something that kept me reading, so I just walked away |
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Post by >>Riz! on Nov 14, 2008 7:29:30 GMT -5
Matt Sturges needed one issue before he finally found the voices of the characters. I think he did a great job after that.
The three issues before were okay. Nothing special, but good.
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Post by l1701e on Nov 19, 2008 16:43:25 GMT -5
To be honest, I didn't really think much of the cancellations of Nightwing, Robin, and Birds of Prey, because I never read those books. However, I was saddened by Blue Beetle's cancellation, because I thought it was a really good book.
Oracle: I'm saddened my book is cancelled, too, but at the same time, I'm glad we got a break. I swear, the Birds can act like overgrown ten-year-olds sometimes.
Huntress: Oracle! Canary stole my apple juice!
Canary: I did not!
Oracle: Ai yi yi...
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Post by starlord on Dec 8, 2008 4:36:45 GMT -5
I'm 34, dammit. I don't need this fictionally-induced stress. This is the best quote I've seen on any board, anywhere, in ages. Exalt, Susan! |
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Post by knightreaver on Dec 15, 2008 3:44:28 GMT -5
Figures i have to go to a discussion thread to learn that one of my fav books. Birds of Prey is being put to an end. First they take away my Green Arrow ( I dragged my heels for a day) then came Green Arrow Black Canary. ( a skip to my step returned.) After I read the final issue of Birds and they better go out with a freaking bang. I imagine I will mope around the house for a day or two. So they dam well better do a revamp of some kind. The title has to much potential to just let die. Although when thinking about it, seeing how Joker is in the loop now, Im sure they will use Mr. J as the means to the end. Which im my books is a good way to go out.
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Post by Ammunition88 on Dec 15, 2008 13:13:00 GMT -5
they've said there will be an oracle mini-series to explain some things... it's supposedly even going to give more insight into her role in Final Crisis.... I'm excited about that!
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Post by theyallfalldown on Dec 15, 2008 14:32:50 GMT -5
they've said there will be an oracle mini-series to explain some things... it's supposedly even going to give more insight into her role in Final Crisis.... I'm excited about that! i hate that in a way though, because its like yeah we cancelled her book, but its okay, she will have a mini series! how does that even compare? i loved seeing huntress and babs on a regular basis and zinda too!!! they were all really cool,and i hope they are still doing stuff after final crisis and not just at the wayside. my predictions(mainly because i dont want dick to be batman-i think he has grown out of the whole thing to be honest) is that tim becomes batman, and oracle becomes his mentor, ala bruce and terry mcginis in batman of the future. i think this would be quite cool. but it relies on bruce, and dick dissapearing. so babs would be coordinating missions, and maybe could even have her birds on the sidelines! |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Dec 15, 2008 15:01:50 GMT -5
if that happened (Dick disappearing, I mean) I'd drop DC in a heartbeat... I mean yeah, I don't think Dick should be Batman but the DCU NEEDS him.... he's one of the best heroes' DC has... he has almost as much skill as Bruce and has about a million more connection since everybody loves him..... Either way, I don't think Bruce is gone forever... too many fans would uproar if Bruce was gone permanently and there would possible be death-threats against didio (assuming there aren't any already)....... They tried putting Dick in the Batsuit in the 90's and, even though it was cool for a bit, and I'm a HUGE Grayson fan, I started thinking "ok, when is the REAL Batman coming back?".... so yeah, I don't think Bruce is gone, but even if he were, I don't see Tim in the suit... he's too young and way too short...... I could see Dick in the suit for a few issues maybe but after that I WANT BRUCE BACK!!
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Post by theyallfalldown on Dec 15, 2008 15:16:16 GMT -5
if that happened (Dick disappearing, I mean) I'd drop DC in a heartbeat... I mean yeah, I don't think Dick should be Batman but the DCU NEEDS him.... he's one of the best heroes' DC has... he has almost as much skill as Bruce and has about a million more connection since everybody loves him..... Either way, I don't think Bruce is gone forever... too many fans would uproar if Bruce was gone permanently and there would possible be death-threats against didio (assuming there aren't any already)....... They tried putting Dick in the Batsuit in the 90's and, even though it was cool for a bit, and I'm a HUGE Grayson fan, I started thinking "ok, when is the REAL Batman coming back?".... so yeah, I don't think Bruce is gone, but even if he were, I don't see Tim in the suit... he's too young and way too short...... I could see Dick in the suit for a few issues maybe but after that I WANT BRUCE BACK!! sorry when i said dissapear, i mean as in not in the book as batman, he could and indeed should still be around in the dcu, but i think he is his own entity, but i would love to see tim do it in a terry mcginis kinda way, i loved that show!!! and i think part of the interesting dynamic would be how tim would step into the shoes, as they would be a lot harder for him to fill than dick. dont get me wrong, i love dick grayson, but i like him as who he is! |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Dec 15, 2008 15:25:28 GMT -5
yeah, I agree that Dick should be his own entity.... heck, thats what he WANTS to be... and Dick knows as well as anyone that really, no one can fill Bruce's shoes.... he pretty said that in Detective #851 last week (great issue by the way).... he knows he's not Batman and has no desire to try and take Bruce's place, something no one can do properly..... that said, I think we all like Batman Beyond lol.... if I didn't like it, I wouldn't be writing it now for DC2 lol.....
which reminds me... I heard DC worked Batman Beyond into the multiverse....... hopefully they'll give Terry his own series again..... but more adult this time.... the one they had when the show was on was alright, but I'd like one that's a bit darker... yet without becoming gratuitous..... anyone else want to see that?
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Post by theyallfalldown on Dec 15, 2008 15:31:30 GMT -5
yeah, I agree that Dick should be his own entity.... heck, thats what he WANTS to be... and Dick knows as well as anyone that really, no one can fill Bruce's shoes.... he pretty said that in Detective #851 last week (great issue by the way).... he knows he's not Batman and has no desire to try and take Bruce's place, something no one can do properly..... that said, I think we all like Batman Beyond lol.... if I didn't like it, I wouldn't be writing it now for DC2 lol..... which reminds me... I heard DC worked Batman Beyond into the multiverse....... hopefully they'll give Terry his own series again..... but more adult this time.... the one they had when the show was on was alright, but I'd like one that's a bit darker... yet without becoming gratuitous..... anyone else want to see that? i wasnt reading much in the ways of comics back then, being only a wee one!! but i loved the toon, and would love to see the comic book in a real way, as it seemed to be more like the justice league comic they had when they made the cartoon, as in not much could happen development wise the other thing i was going to say, i wish comic companies would take more risks, with marvel killing of captain america, and batman now moving on bruce to pastures unknown, its like they cant replace the character, which can stagnate the writing poolso they become untouchable, and even now with this rip stuff, you know it cant be permanent. |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Dec 15, 2008 15:50:14 GMT -5
well I was about 9 or 10 when the comic first came out so I picked up a few (although God knows what happened to them lol)
And as for killing off main characters... there are some characters that you just shouldn't mess with... Bruce being one of them, Steve Rogers being another.... I for one refuse to recognize the new Cap as Cap....heck, I even refuse to buy a Cap comic until Steve comes back.... now there are some characters that CAN be killed of and replaced... I believe Hourman has been changed two or three times now..... and Liberty Bell.... but when you try to take out the big ones like Batman or Superman, it's just not right..... Clark Kent is supes and Bruce Wayne is Batman, and at the end of the day, if you try to change that, it's not Superman and Batman anymore.... it's some idiots way of trying to leave his mark in comics by doing something stupid... along with a stupid editor (like didio) who allows it to happen....... that being said, I think the writing pool is richer than ever right now..... characters are being taken to places they've never gone before New Krypton for example)....... killing off a main character isn't a very good way to reduce stagnation.... if that were the case then they'd be killing off characters right and left rather than taking the challenge of trying to reinvigorate the character as it should be.....
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Post by theyallfalldown on Dec 15, 2008 17:29:16 GMT -5
well I was about 9 or 10 when the comic first came out so I picked up a few (although God knows what happened to them lol) And as for killing off main characters... there are some characters that you just shouldn't mess with... Bruce being one of them, Steve Rogers being another.... I for one refuse to recognize the new Cap as Cap....heck, I even refuse to buy a Cap comic until Steve comes back.... now there are some characters that CAN be killed of and replaced... I believe Hourman has been changed two or three times now..... and Liberty Bell.... but when you try to take out the big ones like Batman or Superman, it's just not right..... Clark Kent is supes and Bruce Wayne is Batman, and at the end of the day, if you try to change that, it's not Superman and Batman anymore.... it's some idiots way of trying to leave his mark in comics by doing something stupid... along with a stupid editor (like didio) who allows it to happen....... that being said, I think the writing pool is richer than ever right now..... characters are being taken to places they've never gone before New Krypton for example)....... killing off a main character isn't a very good way to reduce stagnation.... if that were the case then they'd be killing off characters right and left rather than taking the challenge of trying to reinvigorate the character as it should be.....[/quote I dunno in a way i see what u are saying,but in a way part of the reason characters who are main characters do not get killed off because people are so scared of change that they refuse to buy into anything else,and instead all u get is character after character filling in the void of the legacy character,but never bein allowed to grow up. Like the new mutants,who grew up but can never replace the original xmen,and seem to fade off into the distance. there have been four robins now maybe? And yet they can never bwcome the batman because everyone just expects for the status quo to return to normal. Stating that robin can never become robin is in a way making robin redundant as a legacy character,as we kinda know he will never graduate. Therefore the pool gets stagnant because there are so many characters upon characters,and then they are the ones who die so that they can be replaced.i for one think that batman is an idea,just like captain america,it is the aspects of the icon that make them who they are,so mixin it up a little bit would be cool. Idols die in real life all the time, why not in comics? because the sliding timescale only seems to work for certain people.the likes of cyclops seem to have aged little more than 10 years in 50 odd years continuity,wheras the new mutants have aged about that many in 20. |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Dec 15, 2008 17:48:08 GMT -5
erm.. Robin can never become Robin?... I take it that was a typo lol.... anyways, the way I see it, if that character has survived all of these years, it's for a reason.... remember what happened when they tried to replace peter parker with ben reily?... it didn't go over and they had to bring pete back.... they tried putting Dick in Bruce's shoes in the 90's and, all-in-all, it went over ok, but only because people knew it was only temporary..... try replacing wolverine with another character... who can possibly step in for him... I'm not the biggest wolverine fan, but I do realize his importance and think he should stick around..... same with Bruce, he is Batman, and replacing him for any length other than an issue or two is just wrong.... at that point it's not Batman anymore, it's only a second-rate copy....... so I say just take the character to new heights..... Batman and Superman and the big names like that have been around for years... they're legendary and bigger than all of us, so who are we to kill one of them off?
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