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Magog
Apr 29, 2010 18:30:26 GMT -5
Post by HoM on Apr 29, 2010 18:30:26 GMT -5
Right, so I don't get this series at all.
I mean, I love Giffen, and I love him mining concepts and finding gold, and he's kind of doing this with Magog, but really... who asked for this series? And why don't we get to see more Manhunter? Is Magog selling more than Manhunter did?
And what's with Tom Derenick being the go-to artist when it comes to Giffen's "outsider" projects? Reign in Hell (what were the repercussions there? Really? and who but Giffen will play with those characters now?) had him there, and he always pops up at weird moments. He did on Shadowpact too, right?
Why isn't he on a big book? He's tight enough, especially when he's elevated by Bill Sienkiewicz... just a thought.
Who knows what the numbers are on later days Manhunter and current Magog?
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Magog
Apr 29, 2010 21:35:47 GMT -5
Post by ryokowerx on Apr 29, 2010 21:35:47 GMT -5
Right, so I don't get this series at all. I mean, I love Giffen, and I love him mining concepts and finding gold, and he's kind of doing this with Magog, but really... who asked for this series? And why don't we get to see more Manhunter? Is Magog selling more than Manhunter did? I don't know anything about sales figures but I can certainly tell you that Manhunter was a more beloved character than Magog. I've read through the first five issues and just gave up. Not compelling. Not heroic and not worth the cover price. Worse, they're foisting him onto us JSA readers. Can we just get Power Girl to uppercut him out into space with an escape velocity? |
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Magog
Apr 30, 2010 8:39:02 GMT -5
Post by HoM on Apr 30, 2010 8:39:02 GMT -5
I don't know anything about sales figures but I can certainly tell you that Manhunter was a more beloved character than Magog. I've read through the first five issues and just gave up. Not compelling. Not heroic and not worth the cover price. Manhunter evolved into a real character, and Magog has been forced on us. It's very strange. I mean, I try and trust Giffen for the most part, but he's always given these ancillary titles, ever since 52, that are steadily ignored by other writers (Four Horsemen, Reign In Hell). I'm thinking that when it comes down to it, when Generation Lost picks up something's gonna give, and it's gonna be Magog. Doom Patrol seems to be filling a niche in the DCU, and I kind of want to get into it, but I've missed the opening issues so I'm apprehensive about it. Hmm. Worse, they're foisting him onto us JSA readers. Can we just get Power Girl to uppercut him out into space with an escape velocity? True. I want to see him do something, but I think the point is that he's an unlikeable anti-hero that follows his morals down the line-- but we're supposed to like him, aren't we? It's a shame he's just full of fail and a damn Kingdom Come reject. Poor show. |
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Magog
Apr 30, 2010 10:52:53 GMT -5
Post by ryokowerx on Apr 30, 2010 10:52:53 GMT -5
but we're supposed to like him, aren't we? It's a shame he's just full of fail and a damn Kingdom Come reject. Poor show. Yep. Nail. Head. Bang. I don't mind anti-heroes but when you're not likable or even have a really good reason for being the way you are, nobody is going to care. When your first act in your title is to brutally slaughter your enemies, it sets the tone right off. The snotty and arrogant attitude didn't help either. Kingdom Come was a great story but really should have been kept as an Elseworlds thing. I can draw a parallel here but I'm not going to open that can. |
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Magog
Apr 30, 2010 11:51:44 GMT -5
Post by HoM on Apr 30, 2010 11:51:44 GMT -5
Yep. Nail. Head. Bang. I don't mind anti-heroes but when you're not likable or even have a really good reason for being the way you are, nobody is going to care. When your first act in your title is to brutally slaughter your enemies, it sets the tone right off. The snotty and arrogant attitude didn't help either. Too true. Like I've said, I want to love the concept and the character, but when they make him a complete and utter arsehole then how am I supposed to? I picked up the first three issues (all in the 50p bin, take from that what you will) and it's just... crap. Damn. Kingdom Come was a great story but really should have been kept as an Elseworlds thing. I can draw a parallel here but I'm not going to open that can. Yeah, I know what you mean. It was pretty much one of the best self contained stories I'd read, and then... they kept expanding it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed parts of The Kingdom (Ibn! Nightfire! Offspring's relationship with his father  ) but then they kept rolling it out again and again, with Gog during Austen's tenure, and then JSA, and now this ongoing... how many issues do you think it'll last? |
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Magog
Apr 30, 2010 13:14:31 GMT -5
Post by chris on Apr 30, 2010 13:14:31 GMT -5
I haven't read any of it because it does not look interesting in the slightest. With the way he was portrayed in KC I don't see how they can have him around and Superman not come whooping his ass right away. I did like the JSA arc with KC Superman on New Earth. I'm a sucker for Superman flying around with another Superman though. I wish E-2 Supes would have stuck longer after IC.
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Magog
May 18, 2010 9:55:11 GMT -5
Post by Admin on May 18, 2010 9:55:11 GMT -5
Yeah, the series is concluding with #12 (was there any doubt?) and apparently it's tying in some what with Kingdom Come-- or characters seeking to make sure Kingdom Come never comes to pass. Eh. I dunno what I make of that, but it was a waste of resources, though I do love the contextualisation that Giffen brings to his books. The mythology here along with the concept of a black market supervillain set up, and the information scrawl in Doom Patrol. Nice, interesting, wasted stuff.
Charlie.
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) but then they kept rolling it out again and again, with Gog during Austen's tenure, and then JSA, and now this ongoing... how many issues do you think it'll last?
