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Post by Romans Empire on Apr 23, 2007 23:46:36 GMT -5
Please let us know what you think!
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Post by Mr Clown on Apr 24, 2007 21:41:34 GMT -5
Very good issue, BL was brought into Statics life in a very convincing way. The cast is strong, and I'm glad to see Hot Streak brought in so soon, and I spotted the mention of some of the other villains. Keep up the good work, and I'll be here next month.
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Post by Mischief on Apr 25, 2007 11:18:12 GMT -5
I was not disappointed with this issue. As I always approach read a DC2 story with fresh eyes and no preconceived ideas of the characters or the stories of these pre-established characters. Static is just like I remember him and I remembered why I like watching his cartoons. Thank you Dan for doing him justice. The feel of it remind me of Suoth Central Los Angeles, like from Boyz in Da Hood. I liked the whole recapping of Jefferson's past. Lord knows I never read of his first appearance. This is one of the best stories I've read period. The gang banger mentality is one point. But you were missing the point of a liquor store on every other block corner. I'm definitely on this one to the end. I just hope my pencil and ink did this story justice.
Ramon worked a miracle with the colors over that guy's terrible pencil and ink job. What is your next miracle???
Exalt to both Dan and Ramon.
Mischief
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Post by timdrake on Apr 25, 2007 17:00:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the kind words . I'm going to go into that stuff too. With Static being a hero so close to the streets, I'm going to touch on some social issues (without getting overly preachy, don't worry) that hit the lower class hard. Don't be so hard on yourself, those pencils are a large reason why that cover kicks so much ass. Hopefully they'll just keep getting better!
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Post by arcalian on Apr 25, 2007 19:29:32 GMT -5
I remember the Milestone comics that Static (and Alva) were a part of, albeit distantly. What you do here feels right.
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Post by UltimateDC on Apr 25, 2007 20:50:38 GMT -5
Wow. That was brilliant. I love how well the characters relate to each other and how the character of Static is just like how the show left him. Good stuff, looking forward to the next issue.
-UDC
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Post by David on Apr 25, 2007 21:03:27 GMT -5
I went into this series with a clean slate, having never seen the animated series, but a fan of Black Lightning since he told Superman and the rest of the JLA to shove it. I want to like this issue. There's a lot of social-consciousness here, and the writer obviously put a lot of thought and effort into it. The main characters are likable and interesting (especially Virgil)--- and the later scenes are better than the earlier ones. But some of this stuff needs work. There are confusing scene transitions, inconsistent spelling, non-sequiter dialogue, and profanity (maybe this title needs a MA audience tag?). It certainly needs closer editorial attention... That being said, I will definately be back for next issue. Virgil is a compelling, principled character, and heroic in his own right. He's as much a crusader as Jefferson is, and it will be interesting to see how the clash as they approach their mission(s). And as problematic as some of the writing is, there are flashes of real brilliance, as well (Virgil's monologue was very good). Since when is Star City in California? I always thought of it as a Philadelphia or Chicago analogy (it's been established in the DC2--- and in the DCU, I believe--- as a day trip from Gotham). That cover is truly amazing. Terrific work, Cheif, really impressive. I hope you do the entire run for this mini.
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Post by timdrake on Apr 25, 2007 23:16:55 GMT -5
I'm curious as to which scene transitions were confusing and where you felt there was non sequiter dialogue (I'm not doubting it, I just want to know what I should work on since I still have a lot to learn...though I did try to make sure almost every line of dialogue was in there for a reason). And about the spelling, are you talking about how sometimes I dropped the 'g' from words? Because that was done on purpose, I probably should have put an apostrophe at the end to show that. With the profanity, I can tone it down or we could put an MA tag on it. I want to make it somewhat realistic in terms of language used by teens as well as gangs, but I don't want it to come off as obscene. I'll talk it over with the editor. I've read that Star City was near the Pacific Coast, and when I checked wiki it said that currently (it has changed over the years) DC's Star City is in northern California. If it's been established here already though then I can make some mention of it in the next issue about it being in the midwest, or we could take it out of this issue. It may seem like I'm getting defensive about most of what you said in your post, but I'm just trying to learn as much as I can, I really do appreciate the criticism .
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Post by David on Apr 26, 2007 6:29:15 GMT -5
I'm curious as to which scene transitions were confusing and where you felt there was non sequiter dialogue (I'm not doubting it, I just want to know what I should work on since I still have a lot to learn...though I did try to make sure almost every line of dialogue was in there for a reason). If you like, I can PM you the examples (but it isn't hard to spot--- just look for the scenes where the focus is on one character, or group of characters, and then next on completely different people in the very next sentence. Seems like there should be a new scene, or at least a paragraph break, for the sake of clarity). That would be nice, too, but I was referring to Hotstreak/Hot-streak I think the decsion about the MA rating is Mark's call, but personally, I don't think there's a good reason for it. Virgil is a good role-model and it would be nice for our younger readers to be able to read about him (not to mention there is a smart story developing here that should get the widest exposure). We've worked hard to use the MA rating sparingly (everyone wants to be the next Brian Burchette ), and it should only be trotted out when absolutely required by the story--- and as this particular story is spun out from a children's animated series, I think we can avoid the profanity without losing what makes it what it is (and/or should). After all, it got the writer interested enough to dedicate his time to writing fan fiction about it...! I think if you just take out the California references, we should be fine, but let's not be hasty--- I could be wrong here? Does anyone else have some feedback around this? Brian, Chris, Charlie, Ellen? Not at all! You reacted reasonably and professionally. I would welcome the same feedback from you.
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Post by starlord on Apr 26, 2007 7:30:20 GMT -5
I used to have a map of the DC cities and if I remember correctly, Star City was near the east coast. But I've misplaced the map. We have, also I believe, established that Star City and Gotham are not that far apart at all. I will be reading this issue sometime later today and looking forward to it.
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Post by Mischief on Apr 26, 2007 7:59:28 GMT -5
That cover is truly amazing. Terrific work, Cheif, really impressive. I hope you do the entire run for this mini. I hope that I can deliver on this bench mark. I hope that I can do all the covers for the entire run too. Maybe throw in some surprises too. Come on Ramon take a bow please. ;D Mischief
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Post by Romans Empire on Apr 26, 2007 8:33:16 GMT -5
Dave, your thoughts and feedback are always appreciated so thank you for taking the time. As for some of the specific issues you had with the story, some seemed rather minor to me while others certainly need to be addressed.
1) The confusing scene transitions which appeared to be only a few, have been adjusted and hopefully makes the story flow smoother.
2) The use of slang dialogue didn't appear to be an issue to me. When read out loud (I do that often when reading an editing) seemed natural to me with or with out the use of an apostrophe. I saw only one place where Hotstreak was wrong and it has been fixed.
Very valid points sir and some of which hadn't been considered in the editing process. Again, some slight changes were made to tone down the language without taking anything away from the story.
According to several DC sources I keep on hand, Star City is in Cali. If that is not the case in the DC2 I wasn't aware. As minor as it may be it is certainly necessary for the continuity of the DC2inverse!
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Post by starlord on Apr 26, 2007 9:23:02 GMT -5
I finally got to read this and did enjoy a lot of it. I have to admit that my age was trying to get in the way, and I had to reread the gang stuff a couple of time to comprehend it. It was written very well, I'm just slow on the uptake. Great ending!!! Nice mention of Ollie. Excellent cover! I'll be back! But we really should decide where Star City is. It'd be nice to know before Ollie goes back home to visit.
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Post by HoM on Apr 26, 2007 9:55:48 GMT -5
Umm... Pretentious in places (I don't like the 'street' language, but I knew this coming into the issue, so I didn't let it get me down), repetitive in others (Big bang! Big bang! Yeah, we get it... ) but apart from those things that I thought would put me off, this was alright! A surprisingly strong first issue! Great handle on Black Lightning (enjoyed his inner monologue but got confused near the end) and a nice introduction to Static Shock (didn't like his flirtatiousness? But that's just me), a character I'm only familiar with from JLU! We all know you're a talent Dan, as established with your All Star arc, and the other bits and pieces you've sprinkled over the site (including your elseworlds, yes) and I shall return next month for more of the same... And nice cover Mischief!
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Post by David on Apr 26, 2007 10:03:56 GMT -5
Dave, your thoughts and feedback are always appreciated so thank you for taking the time. As for some of the specific issues you had with the story, some seemed rather minor to me while others certainly need to be addressed. All of them seperately are minor, but when taken together, add up to significant concern (otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it); I certainly wouldn't characterize this issue as flawed because of them, but I'd hate to see this happen in every subsequent issue. Cool! That was the biggest, most distracting problem I think. I have no problem whatsoever with slang (as long as it's used in dialogue, or first person narration). I think it was used effectively here, and I wouldn't change a thing. Well, an apostrophe makes it grammatically more acceptable... Thanks for catching it, John! If it's any consolation, it's also a pet peeve of mine when people refer to "The Batman" or "The Flash" (as opposed to "the Batman" or "the Flash")... No sniggering at my OCD! Thanks for making the effort. Editors are the great unsung heroes of the DC2 (writer and artist are such flashy jobs), but there's no doubt the job of the editor is equally important! I don't think this is a minor point at all (though neither is it a big deal to fix), and we should regularize it ASAP, as a major new series will be set there, post-Crisis II (again, this could be my OCD talking ). Thanks for taking my concerns seriously, John! This series is lucky to have such a responsive editor!
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Post by David on Apr 26, 2007 10:09:16 GMT -5
Umm... Pretentious in places (I don't like the 'street' language, but I knew this coming into the issue, so I didn't let it get me down), repetitive in others (Big bang! Big bang! Yeah, we get it... ) Charlie, I think you may have missed the natural rhythm the writer was trying to establish with the repetition of-, and the slight evolution of- certain phrases. it's a device used by poets and musicians alike, and used, IMO, to good effect here (and nicely set's this issue apart as unique, as well). Or maybe I'm reading too much into it... Dan?
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Post by HoM on Apr 26, 2007 10:18:53 GMT -5
Hey, I got that he was trying to do something, but it didn't work for me. The identity crisis/infinite crisis blared out at me like "Typical..." but didn't impede my overall enjoyment. I'm just glad we get to see Black Lightning again!
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Post by Romans Empire on Apr 26, 2007 10:59:02 GMT -5
When you put it that way it almost makes me love you man!
This is a fun story. I am not as familiar with Static as I am Black Lightning so it was cool to see the focus put on the kid.
I think you nailed it write on the head here Dave. I won't speak for Dan but I really got into the rhythm of what he was going for here.
I saw nothing pretentious about it what so ever! You used that same word to describe Cyborgs story so I am curious how you meant that in this case as well as that one.
I believe that the characters weren't self absorbed nor exaggerated in anyway. They appeared real and allowed the reader to understand where they were coming from as the story began. Now Batman would be a character that is easy to fall into the pretentious category if written that way.
Over all it was a very good intro issue. Some mystery, drama, and action. I look forward to seeing how the main characters interact with each other more as the series progresses as well as where the story takes them both.
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Post by HoM on Apr 26, 2007 11:06:16 GMT -5
I'm just talking personal preference about the 'street' language. Don't get the wrong idea John and Dan, I enjoyed the issue, but I found the repetitiveness a bit pretentious.
I flat out didn't like the Cyborg story, but I really liked this, because I have to admit, I've written repetitive sections like that for The Question Quarterly! I can't wait for the next installement because I want to know what the hell just happened.
Oh, and I loved the Bond villain feel we had going on near the beginning, but I don't think we needed to be TOLD it, you know? But again, that's how I feel.
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Post by timdrake on Apr 26, 2007 11:44:50 GMT -5
I don't really care either way, it doesn't really affect the actual story for me so whatever your preference is works for me.
I was definately trying to give Virgil's monologue a rhythm within the confusion since this mysterious feeling is helping him organize his thoughts and life in general, whereas Jefferson's monologue didn't have that as much since he is still confused as to where he is in life. If that's not your cup of tea that's cool though. I write poetry, with a heavy hip hop influence, from time to time so I wanted to try to insert some those aspects of my writing into my prose.
That line was more about showing how Robert felt about Alva than telling the reader that he was a villain.
Thanks for all the feedback!
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Post by David on Apr 26, 2007 11:58:45 GMT -5
Hey, I got that he was trying to do something, but it didn't work for me. The identity crisis/infinite crisis blared out at me like "Typical..." That was my favorite part! I thought it was clever...!
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Post by arcalian on Apr 26, 2007 12:00:00 GMT -5
You could just call it Star City West or Star City Prime or New Star City.
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Post by David on Apr 26, 2007 12:00:35 GMT -5
When you put it that way it almost makes me love you man! Almost...?
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Post by Mischief on Apr 27, 2007 11:13:26 GMT -5
You could just call it Star City West or Star City Prime or New Star City. I like that idea. Or maybe South Central S.C.? But seriously I think Star City West and New Star City would work. But that is my two cent. Mischief aka 'Chief aka J.Mischief aka Just Mischief
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Post by Admin on May 9, 2007 12:04:15 GMT -5
I finally got around to reading this. Good first issue. I was a bit apprehensive going in, having read David's letter about the issue way back, but the editing since then seems to have sorted things out. Anyway, looking forward to seeing what happens next.
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 10, 2007 1:12:12 GMT -5
I don't read everything on the site, but I do read nearly every first issue...and am I glad of that today! I wasn't expecting to get hooked on this story so easy, but I did, and considering I really don't care about BL or Static in the least, I'm amazed at how easily you drew me in. With the exception of one minor hiccup in the hospital room scene (looks like a line got dropped somewhere) this was beautifully written. Every character is vibrant throughout, with their actions painting a picture in your mind as you read. I especially liked the hip-hop style dialogue bits, they had a wonderful rhythmic flow to them (I'd love to see your regular poetry work sometime!) and added to the landscape of urban life you're portraying here. Keep up the good work, I can't wait to see what else you've got in store here!
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Post by l1701e on May 14, 2007 11:43:54 GMT -5
Well, I am a big fan of the Static cartoon, so when I saw this, it piqued my interest. I found it quite enjoyable and interesting.
You know, in the show, most of the Bang Babies went bad, and I never could figure out why until I came up with a theory. I theorized that the Bang Gas had not just affected their bodies to give them powers, but it also affected them mentally. If they had existing psychological issues, the gas exasperated them. For example, Hotstreak already had a lot of insecurities and anger (like all bullies), and when he got hit by the gas, it altered his brain chemistry, making him even MORE insecure and angry.
Maybe you could use that theory.
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Post by timdrake on May 22, 2007 17:23:16 GMT -5
Whoops, must've missed the last few comments. Thanks for the kind words, they really made my day!
Looks like we share that theory, you should see evidence of that in #2 with one Bang Baby, and then in #3 you'll get to see how it affected a few others. I tried to have personalities match powers with as many Bang Babies as I could.
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