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Post by Admin on Sept 25, 2007 13:10:19 GMT -5
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Post by Zoom on Sept 25, 2007 21:23:36 GMT -5
I just have to say, this was amazing.
Both deaths were completely unexpected. The first, because I though that it was her who was death. The second one, well, although it seems obvious now, it wasn't until they had left him that it hit me.
Wonderful issue, action packed and emotive.
Also, the cover was awesome.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Sept 26, 2007 10:43:21 GMT -5
Thanks Zoom!
I really appreciate the feedback! And I'm glad you liked the cover too!
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Post by HoM on Sept 26, 2007 15:00:27 GMT -5
Wow. As this was the final issue of this run, I had to read it. Scott loves these characters, so I owed it to myself and him to dive head first into the book, just as Cos leapt into that building to save the life of the girl trapped inside. Wow. This was... Amazing. SPOILERS!!! Vidar, you... You bastard! Polar Boy! Noooo! Nice guy, shows a real growth in maturity and character and then WHAT?! Scott, you sonofagun! And then... And then... Nemesis Kid No. You did not do what you just did did you not? Hot damn, you did. You flew away. And Cos... Cos... You broke time
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Post by Lantern Lad on Sept 27, 2007 11:05:52 GMT -5
Sorry Charlie! I had to edit your post for SPOILERS! Don't want to give too much away without giving folks a chance to read it! Yep, I went there... but you knew that already, didn't you? Both of the Legion deaths were VERY tough to write... I knew that someone was going to die, but idn't quite know who or how. Then I asked myself 'who are the two characters that have: A. Never died and B. who would I absolutely hate to kill... And I ran with it... and thanks to Charlie for saying 'eh, why not?'
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Post by HoM on Sept 27, 2007 12:38:47 GMT -5
I love encouraging people to do the totally unexpected thing
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Post by starlord on Sept 28, 2007 23:33:52 GMT -5
I don't know where to begin with this. I saved this one for last because I knew it was going to be a wild ride, but I never expected the jaw droppings twists and turns!
After reading this, and your interview, I can see that Cosmic Boy is one of your favorites, and it shows with the magnificant way you handled his heroism. Every bit of his story was wonderfully crafted.
Actually, the entire story was just plain electric, and I really don't want to say much more and ruin a lot of it for people who might not have read it yet. All I can say is that once again, Scott, you've shown us what a real writer with a love for a group of characters, can do with them.
Although I fully understand every one of your reasons, the words "final issue" saddened me. This is your baby, and I hate to see you walk away from it for even a small amount of time. Of course it is for truely selfish reasons, I just want you to write MORE!!!
Finally, your tribute was touching. I am very sorry for your loss, but it is obvious that you carry her in your heart, your soul, and your talent. Be comforted with the belief that you will always have that.
5 stars, my friend. 5 well deserved stars.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Sept 29, 2007 23:46:26 GMT -5
I don't know where to begin with this. I saved this one for last because I knew it was going to be a wild ride, but I never expected the jaw droppings twists and turns! After reading this, and your interview, I can see that Cosmic Boy is one of your favorites, and it shows with the magnificant way you handled his heroism. Every bit of his story was wonderfully crafted. Actually, the entire story was just plain electric, and I really don't want to say much more and ruin a lot of it for people who might not have read it yet. All I can say is that once again, Scott, you've shown us what a real writer with a love for a group of characters, can do with them. Although I fully understand every one of your reasons, the words "final issue" saddened me. This is your baby, and I hate to see you walk away from it for even a small amount of time. Of course it is for truely selfish reasons, I just want you to write MORE!!! Finally, your tribute was touching. I am very sorry for your loss, but it is obvious that you carry her in your heart, your soul, and your talent. Be comforted with the belief that you will always have that. 5 stars, my friend. 5 well deserved stars. Thank you Brian... all of your comments mean quite a lot to me. I wish I could keep the book going, but at this point I just can't. I hope that when it returns you will be just as excited and floored!
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Post by arcalian on Oct 2, 2007 21:18:39 GMT -5
I don't know the legion kids except maybe Saturn Girl and maybe Brainaic 5 well enough to say much, but I mourn the death of every hero. There are always too many deaths. Always.
Well written, of course, and the memoriam was touching. The one outside the story, I mean, not that the one within wasn't too.
WAiting for what comes next....
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Post by arcalian on Oct 2, 2007 22:14:20 GMT -5
Oh, and I want to kill Nemesis Kid. Slowly.
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Post by HoM on Oct 3, 2007 4:45:54 GMT -5
Didio!!!
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 3, 2007 10:38:51 GMT -5
Oh, and I want to kill Nemesis Kid. Slowly. ;D I'm glad you feel that way! It shows that you care what happens to the characters... Nemesis Kid was one of those characters that really hasn't been seen since the 1980's when he killed the original Karate Kid... Well, KK actually killed himself trying to kill Nemesis Kid, but you know what I mean. I wanted him to be a viable threat again. We know he's an S.O.B., let's hope the others find out before the body count is raised even higher!
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 3, 2007 10:39:52 GMT -5
Didio!!! Are you calling me Didio or Nemesis Kid? I figure that Nemesis Kid could actually be the comic book version of Didio... just with more hair. Heh! Say what you want about Didio... the man knows how to stir up controversy!
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Post by lissilambe on Oct 3, 2007 13:57:29 GMT -5
We know he's an S.O.B., let's hope the others find out before the body count is raised even higher!
I have to utterly agree with that comment, because there's nothing that sucks the winds out of my sails more with comics than rampant death just to prove something is big, epic and earth-shaking.
Take care Don
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 3, 2007 16:54:38 GMT -5
We know he's an S.O.B., let's hope the others find out before the body count is raised even higher! I have to utterly agree with that comment, because there's nothing that sucks the winds out of my sails more with comics than rampant death just to prove something is big, epic and earth-shaking. Take care Don So you read it? Aside from feeling a sucking wind from your sails, what did you think? As far as rampant death, there hasn't been a death in this series that wasn't either meaningful or necessary to move the story along. There is a reason for EVERYTHING that has happened, and though not all of it is clear so far, it will be soon. Thanks!
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Post by lissilambe on Oct 3, 2007 17:14:01 GMT -5
I did read it, and pretty much felt the story was okay. Standard, solid Legion adventuring, interesting character choices and uses.
And then the deaths.
It's tough to convince me that killing off interesting and fun characters is ever necessary. I don't believe in rampant death in comics, it's one of the things that prevents me from reading DC and Marvel these days, and I fail to see the "need" to kill the two off that you did.
It's clear from the second death that you have more in mind. That's fine. I'll wait and see. I have to wait and see, since you're done for the nonce, and we all have to wait for whatever special or mini you're planning next. But there were so many ways for him to avoid death without even putting thought into it that seriously, for me it ranked up with Hawkeye's death in Avengers Disassembled (or any of hte deaths in that storyline really): it "had" to happen in order ot make the story "tense, dramatic and startling".
This is just my opinion. I understand I'm in a rapidly diminishing minority on this kind of subject. I realize there are many who love to see this kind of thing. And that's fine. But for me, it's a real problem and something that turns me off. There are some titles where the rules apply differently. Suicide Squad comes to mind. Yes, characters should probably get gakked there with some more fequency.
Legion is about optimism and hope and a future where we've made it. It's also about fun and swashbuckling space adventure and bucking the odds and derring-do. This felt like none of that.
Things like this also help to limit the enthusiasm of (at least some) writers to want to put their spin on things in the future. Granted, it looks like Legion is locked into your firm grip, so I suppose that's not an issue in the case of Legion.
Anyway, it was going well. I was sorry to see how this issue, and series (only six issues in, too) wrapped up.
Take care Don
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 3, 2007 18:25:38 GMT -5
Well, I'm sorry that you didn't like it all that much.
I agree that comics and rampant death has become a bit of the mainstay lately, though I never did read Avengers... ever, actually. This series was meant to be a bit of a darker tale from issue #1 on... If you read the title of each issue, that's actually reflected. Issue #0 was called 'hope', which was meant to be the hopeful beginning of the Legion... after that things kind of went downhill. I mean, the Dominion is in control of the United Planets... things are not pretty in the future, but that's why our guys are there... to clean it up and make the future a brighter place.
I didn't want to tell just a regular old Legion story yet... it's been done. I did not kill the character just for the sake of killing a character, and that, Legion has done that in the past... Ferro Lad was a character that was actually created for no other reason than to die. The writers did not want to kill off a character that had been around so they made Ferro Lad and killed him about 3 issues later. Talk about a lack of imagination!
In fact, Legionnaires have been dying throughout their long run:
Ferro Lad Karate Kid Magnetic Kid Triplicate Girl Duo Damsel Lar Gand/Valor Lightning Lad Phantom Girl (kinda) Superboy Invisible Kid Supergirl Sun Boy Element Lad Kid Quantum Leviathon Dream Girl The whole Legion (twice... Zero Hour and TT/LSH special)
Granted this covers all eras of the Legion... and not all of the deaths happened at the same time, but still... I think another thing that may be different is who died. Neither of them have died before (unless you count Zero Hour).
Anyway, just food for thought... stay tuned.
I do want to thank you though for reading! It's not the most popular title on the site, and I do appreciate your feedback... hopefully you will like what's coming next.
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Post by lissilambe on Oct 3, 2007 22:35:00 GMT -5
I'm well aware of Legion's history. I've been reading the group for nigh on thirty years now, and loved them. I'm aware of the characters that have died over the years, but they've been stretched out over many, many years. Yes, Ferro Lad was written to die, but it was done in a time when it meant something and had impact. I'm tired of dark comics, I'm tired of death at every turn, and so that's what turned me off here. You can tell me "wait adn see what's coming" but honestly...why? I'm also getting tired of being told "wait and see, wait and see" whenever I say something like "I was disappointed in A" or "B left me feeling let down" or "C wasn't to my taste". That has no effect on whether I'll like a tale in the future. I'm commenting on the one now. I know that the later issues of a title down the pike may be different. But the issues provided me are what I have to base my expectations on. Right now, a grim and gritty Legion is why I stopped reading Legion after DandA took over, with the Blight story on. It's not just you. You feel you might have had good reasons to kill the Legionnaires you did. But it's just more added to the body pile of carnage. You're not alone. You're not isolated. It's not an uncommon occurrence. It's just more death. And as mentioned, the second death I feel could have been easily diverted and prevented, and therefore, it happened because you wanted it to happen, for no other reason then you wanted two deaths. It's just how I feel. Being told "wait and see" doesn't chagne anything about here and now, and being told a litany of Legionnaires killed in the past doens't make what happened here and now more palatable. And Legion might not seem popular on the site, but on the other hand, Legion is one of two properties DC owns that I'm fiercely passionate about. Incredibly, ferociously passionate about. THere are two titles I want to write, and there are two I'd want to write in a DC fanfic universe like this one. One is Shazam, the other is Legion. So I'm admittedly and notoriously hard to please in those regards. I know what I want and like in Legion. For that, I apologize. Sadly, with DC2, neither of the titles appears to be an option, so I'll just read and critique Legion. Take care Don
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 3, 2007 22:39:20 GMT -5
OK. Groovy. It's all semantics now.
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Post by david1 on Oct 4, 2007 1:46:45 GMT -5
After reading the election lineup, I noticed there were a lot of Legion members absent from all the issues up to this one. Is there a second title in the works?
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 4, 2007 8:24:05 GMT -5
Yep! A second title and a few one-shots!
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Post by HoM on Oct 4, 2007 10:21:41 GMT -5
As the guy who's known by some of the readers/writers/artists/editors (etc) on the site as the guy who sadistically takes his characters through hell, I'm going to chime in on this. Scott is an amazing writer. That should be said. He can tell a story that pulls at your heart strings. His Green Lantern run was one of the most solid runs on the site, consistently well-written and up there with Brian's New Outsiders and Dave's original Wonder Woman run. Tight stuff indeed. If Scott does something, it's not some flippant thing. It's part of a story. It's part of a tapestry he's working on that will blow our minds. The emotional impact of this issue was resounding. Nemesis Kid is going to take the LoSH to a dark place, you can tell, and if he's willing to let Cos die... COS, one third of the trinity of heroes that FORMED the LoSH in the first place, then we know he will go out of his way to do something that will make this event seem like child's play. Polar Boy, meh. He was a hero, but he wasn't in the same league of Cosmic Boy, but even his sacrifice for Saturn Girl was memorable. I doubt people would CARE if ONLY Polar Boy died. Come on. He's Polar Boy. Legion of Substitute Heroes and all that. But with Cos, ooooh, Scott, you're a bastard! You're like Didio! You shouldn't be allowed to write books!Rubbish.If you don't like a book, don't read it. Don, you seem to have made up your mind on this. But if you have faith in a writer, like I do when it comes to Mr K, then you'd stick around. You've not known Scott as long as I have, or read his stuff for as long as I have, but I know that Scott is great at what he's doing. And what he's doing, like he said, is doing something different. I don't want to read a story of a team just running about winning. What's the point? That's why they're here. To win. But it gets boring after a while. Superman is unbeatable. But stories where he's taken down a notch, where he's actually defeated in the first act, those have more resonance than the stories where he just freezes the villain and goes home to have some beef bourgoin with ketchup. Where's the impact? The emotion? Nowhere. That's my opinion. I know people disagree with me. This was an awesome issue. Don, I know you have problems with some decisions the DC2 editorial team has made (regarding Shazam! I somewhat agree! It's like... Eww. Incesty.) but LoSH is a book deserving of a commitment. Disagree with me. I know you probably will. And I don't mind. I accept your opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. This story distilled sacrifice and heroism into a story that is deserving of a wider readership. I like what Didio has done with DC recently. There's a sense of urgency to that universe now. I know that people still moan about the death of Sue Dibny, but honestly, look at where the world has gone since then? How many stories have been borne out of that one event? Civil War? Joe Q can bite me. And doesn't it show Sue's strength of character that she didn't let her rape at the hands of Doctor Light affect her all those years afterwards? I never thought about that before. Hmm. Though I still wished Hawkman shoved his mace up that dude's face. Hmm indeed. Now, I realize that that was one hell of a rant, but anyone who can tell me how many characters I've killed on the site (not including the Question) would be a helpful person indeed.
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Post by Zoom on Oct 4, 2007 15:07:56 GMT -5
Well, the ones I can remember are:
Your Green lantern guy in the Black Zero arc. The Rival in Flash. (he did die, didn't he?) Jay "died". For a little while. Does this count?
People that died in the Question, but are not the question: That killer they sent after the Question. Many extras. A villain whose name I can't remember. (During the final issues. He helped Vapor) A friend of Vic. A scientist whose name I can't remember. Did Bug died? I can't remember. I think he did...
Can someobody continue the list? OwO
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 5, 2007 0:06:25 GMT -5
As the guy who's known by some of the readers/writers/artists/editors (etc) on the site as the guy who sadistically takes his characters through hell, I'm going to chime in on this. Scott is an amazing writer. That should be said. He can tell a story that pulls at your heart strings. His Green Lantern run was one of the most solid runs on the site, consistently well-written and up there with Brian's New Outsiders and Dave's original Wonder Woman run. Tight stuff indeed. If Scott does something, it's not some flippant thing. It's part of a story. It's part of a tapestry he's working on that will blow our minds. The emotional impact of this issue was resounding. Nemesis Kid is going to take the LoSH to a dark place, you can tell, and if he's willing to let Cos die... COS, one third of the trinity of heroes that FORMED the LoSH in the first place, then we know he will go out of his way to do something that will make this event seem like child's play. Polar Boy, meh. He was a hero, but he wasn't in the same league of Cosmic Boy, but even his sacrifice for Saturn Girl was memorable. I doubt people would CARE if ONLY Polar Boy died. Come on. He's Polar Boy. Legion of Substitute Heroes and all that. But with Cos, ooooh, Scott, you're a bastard! You're like Didio! You shouldn't be allowed to write books!Rubbish.If you don't like a book, don't read it. Don, you seem to have made up your mind on this. But if you have faith in a writer, like I do when it comes to Mr K, then you'd stick around. You've not known Scott as long as I have, or read his stuff for as long as I have, but I know that Scott is great at what he's doing. And what he's doing, like he said, is doing something different. I don't want to read a story of a team just running about winning. What's the point? That's why they're here. To win. But it gets boring after a while. Superman is unbeatable. But stories where he's taken down a notch, where he's actually defeated in the first act, those have more resonance than the stories where he just freezes the villain and goes home to have some beef bourgoin with ketchup. Where's the impact? The emotion? Nowhere. That's my opinion. I know people disagree with me. This was an awesome issue. Don, I know you have problems with some decisions the DC2 editorial team has made (regarding Shazam! I somewhat agree! It's like... Eww. Incesty.) but LoSH is a book deserving of a commitment. Disagree with me. I know you probably will. And I don't mind. I accept your opinion, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. This story distilled sacrifice and heroism into a story that is deserving of a wider readership. I like what Didio has done with DC recently. There's a sense of urgency to that universe now. I know that people still moan about the death of Sue Dibny, but honestly, look at where the world has gone since then? How many stories have been borne out of that one event? Civil War? Joe Q can bite me. And doesn't it show Sue's strength of character that she didn't let her rape at the hands of Doctor Light affect her all those years afterwards? I never thought about that before. Hmm. Though I still wished Hawkman shoved his mace up that dude's face. Hmm indeed. Now, I realize that that was one hell of a rant, but anyone who can tell me how many characters I've killed on the site (not including the Question) would be a helpful person indeed. Wow, kinda speechless right now. Thanks Chuck!
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 5, 2007 0:06:58 GMT -5
Well... you didn't mention those he bludgeoned...
;D
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Oct 7, 2007 19:07:15 GMT -5
Sorry I took so long to read this...delaying the inevitable end of the series, I guess. I'll admit, I was surprised to see Cos die, but he didn't exactly go out like a wuss, did he? Kinda reminded me of the death of Chewbacca (now THAT pissed me off!), but we do have that saving grace at the end. Y'know, that mysterious guy who said time was broken...maybe he can trap some of that broken time and fix things up...I believe it would be in his own personal interest to do so, at least in one reality...(okay, I'm out of sly references) ;D The story on a whole was making my head spin -- too much to keep track of! -- but when it cooked, it cooked real good, my man. Looking forward to the minis or one-shots or what-have-you down the line. In the meantime, I'll keep my flight ring extra-shiny. =(L)=
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 7, 2007 19:29:43 GMT -5
Sorry I took so long to read this...delaying the inevitable end of the series, I guess. I'll admit, I was surprised to see Cos die, but he didn't exactly go out like a wuss, did he? Kinda reminded me of the death of Chewbacca (now THAT pissed me off!), but we do have that saving grace at the end. Y'know, that mysterious guy who said time was broken...maybe he can trap some of that broken time and fix things up...I believe it would be in his own personal interest to do so, at least in one reality...(okay, I'm out of sly references) ;D The story on a whole was making my head spin -- too much to keep track of! -- but when it cooked, it cooked real good, my man. Looking forward to the minis or one-shots or what-have-you down the line. In the meantime, I'll keep my flight ring extra-shiny. =(L)=No problem Susan... I'm glad you enjoyed it! There is a lot going on and coming up in the Legionverse! In fact, we've got a mini-series in the works (actually it's just in the talking about planning stages as I write this) that may surprise the faithful! And that's on top of the other minis and one-shots! I think the Legion is gearing up to be bigger and better in 3008! (Not that that's how long it will take to get something out, it's just really going to start cooking in '08) Yes indeed, the feller at the end of the story would happen to have a personal stake in EVERYTHING that happens with the Legion. Especially if someone that's not supposed to die, dies! I would actually suggest that all of you that read the Legion, look again at the very beginning of issue #0! That's where our mysterious friend first appears and is speaking to someone of interest... any guesses on who he's talking to? Even if you do guess... I'm not telling! And maybe some would like to reread the origin of Cosmic Boy... to mourn his passing... Loved your Legion ring by the way! I think I may incorporate that into the story telling in the future! But Susan... No translation for us? [glow=yellow,2,300] =(L)=[/glow]
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Oct 7, 2007 20:07:14 GMT -5
"In a flash of light, a hero falls." Y'all either gotta get them universal translators fixed or start paying me. ;D And glad you liked the ring emoticon, it was a spur-of-the-moment idea. And of course, you had to go and improve it with the glowy-thing.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Oct 8, 2007 8:54:09 GMT -5
Actually it says: "In a flash of steel, a hero falls"
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Oct 9, 2007 11:53:18 GMT -5
Oops, sorry about that. Kids, never speed-read Interlac!
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