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Post by Admin on Aug 8, 2006 18:19:56 GMT -5
Let us know what you think!
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Post by Romans Empire on Aug 8, 2006 22:30:19 GMT -5
WOW!
The same thought originally ran through my head when I wondered how Batman would be portrayed during the Crisis, how would Dick respond to a threat that was literally out of this world? Dick did what he always does. He played with the hand he was dealt.
Ellen I don't need to tell you know how to get into Nightwings head, but you do like no other. The difference in Bruce and Dick can be summed up in one word, Broccoli! In a big event like this it's easy to miss the small things but the inner monologue with Dick showed what type of person he was. The whole tale could have been told in this fashion and worked like a charm!
I loved the fact that it was Dick (not Batman) that realized one of Darkseid’ main advantages was the heroes not working together thus far. I wonder what that could possibly lead up to in the future?
I had heard that you felt out of your element with this type of story but it never showed here. You worked with your strengths and delivered a kick ass story Ellen!
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 9, 2006 1:42:18 GMT -5
Hi, John! WOW! The same thought originally ran through my head when I wondered how Batman would be portrayed during the Crisis, how would Dick respond to a threat that was literally out of this world? Dick did what he always does. He played with the hand he was dealt. Uh-huh! I had a lot of the same concerns, myself... (blush) LOL! Hero that Dick is, he just has to rise to the occasion. He's going through this with equal parts terror, excitement, awe, and determination. But he's going through it. Hmmmm... In my own assessment, character is my key writing strength. Crossover Events tend to be heavy on action, weak on character development. In order for me to approach this in a way that would allow me to get excited for the storyline, I had to essentially filter everything through Dick's eyes and thoughts. Suddenly, I had the character-orientation back, and things started to come together... Thank-you! You've made my night!
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Post by tlbauer on Aug 9, 2006 6:24:13 GMT -5
This is by and far the best book on this site, month after month. Instead of worrying about shocking the reader, or lame plot twists, this writer continues to work diligently to create a well rounded character. This "event" became secondary to Dick's involvement with it. Well done.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 9, 2006 8:13:25 GMT -5
Thank-you kindly! (Blush)
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Post by HoM on Aug 9, 2006 9:49:56 GMT -5
A down to Earth telling of the Apokolips Invasion, and you make it work Ellen, and having been privvy to it before it posted, I must say on second read it's still great work. Really enjoyed it! You make everything work, in the way that all this high flying, out of this world events are rationalised so you can just get it. Nightwing, and the way he's been written, is the everyman of the DC2, he hasn't got the powers, he hasn't got the magical lasso, but he's got himself, and that's all that matters to him. Astonishing. And looky here, I'm a consultant!
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 9, 2006 10:08:18 GMT -5
You know the New Gods better than I do, you saved me from a few gaffes--If I'm crediting a bunch of virtual strangers on another site, I can darned well credit a friend on this one who helped as much!
Thanks for the feedback!
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Post by HoM on Aug 9, 2006 10:16:17 GMT -5
Absolutely my pleasure!
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Post by markymark261 on Aug 9, 2006 12:08:56 GMT -5
Good enjoyable story. I thought the characterisations of all the various characters was spot on.
As for the cover, while I appreciate the road safety aspects and the fidelity to the story, I'd have preferred the main characters' faces not to have been obscured by their helmets.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 9, 2006 13:01:31 GMT -5
Thanks! And since the cover was my idea, I'll take responsibility.
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Post by HoM on Aug 9, 2006 13:07:57 GMT -5
Let's all go out on our motorbikes without our helmets.
THE CHAOS!
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Post by Admin on Aug 9, 2006 17:00:15 GMT -5
This is by and far the best book on this site, month after month. Instead of worrying about shocking the reader, or lame plot twists, this writer continues to work diligently to create a well rounded character. This "event" became secondary to Dick's involvement with it. Well done. While I too am a fan of this writer and have never been disappointed by anything she's ever written, I have to take exception with the above post. Not with the reader's review of this issue but by the implication that other titles on the site are "by far" inferior, utilize "lame plot twists" and are concerned only with "shocking the reader." Taking nothing away from Ellen's genuis, nevertheless she did not "create a well-rounded character" (Marv Wolfman did that, though arguments could be made for other writers, before and after, as well); she does, however, depict an extremely popular "well-rounded character" consumately well--- and this is her strength. But let's not credit her to the denigration of the many talented writers and editors (and artists) who consistently craft entertaining story, sometimes on multiple titles, month after month. That being said, fantastic issue, Ellen! Your charcterization, as always, was right on the money--- from Dick to Scott Free to the Titans! The cover was another home run by JrFan, who seems to get better and better with each cover she does! But I gotta know: just what was your thought process on putting helmets on Dick and Scott?
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 9, 2006 18:40:18 GMT -5
They were on a motorcycle. It didn't make sense NOT to wear them... (I was kinda expecting the visors to be up, though. Never actually discussed it with Kalin.)
And I'm glad you pushed me to write this one. It's the first story I've had that was actually imposed on me, and I did have some reservations. Not about Crisis, just about whether my best was going to be good enough.
And yes, there are a LOT of fantastic writers on this site.
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Post by Romans Empire on Aug 9, 2006 20:41:56 GMT -5
David goes and defends the other writers on the site and here I was just happy that someone recognized one of my story's ;D
I agree. I came back today to check out the cover that wasn't up last night and was blown away. I loved it! Kalin captured the moment here! Also the coloring was incredible! The whole image just jumped right off the screen!
No one should give either her or Ellen a hard time about the helmets! It could be the end of the world! Everyone could die at any second! Is that any reason to ignore basic bike safety? ;D
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Post by jrfan133 on Aug 9, 2006 23:27:40 GMT -5
LOL! Thanks for the huge compliments guys. Although the helmets were Ellen's idea, I remember discussing the visors being up with her but totally forgot. Of course if I hadn't waited til the last second...
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Post by starlord on Aug 10, 2006 6:30:47 GMT -5
One helluva story here, Ellen! I can't say much more then what everyone else has said, so I'll just kind of repeat some of it. The characters were excellent, as always. I honestly loved the mention of Scott's unawareness to leaning into the turn. I had been in that situation twenty years ago, and remembered the cyclist yelling the same thing to me, "Turn into it!" Gave me a chuckle. Loved the appearance of Orion and The Titans. All in all, it was right up there with the other Crisis chapters. Fun, exhilarating, and tense. Best of the week! Just a quick side note, personally I love a little plot twist and a few shocking moments in comics. Without them, they wouldn't be half as fun as they are. Just wanted to throw in my two cents.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 10, 2006 6:36:58 GMT -5
Hey, Brian! I can honestly say that hanging out at the "little details" community on livejournal was a help. Right about the point I was planning out this installment, someone else posed a question about the effects of a second rider on motorcycle steering. Suddenly, a lightbulb went off in my brain, and... voila!
Thanks for reading and enjoying!
Edit: I think you might find a shocking moment or two in #9...
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Post by Darkseid Is on Aug 10, 2006 16:36:46 GMT -5
Another great Nightwing issue. What more is there to say? And that cover was amazing.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 10, 2006 18:08:23 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Aug 10, 2006 18:32:02 GMT -5
Good issue, except for near the end when the parademons are closing in. For a situation so urgent -- you made it sound like the bad guys were within a few feet of them -- it seemed strange that Dick could take the time to dial a cell phone and talk. The pace after that moment became a lot slower, almost like there wasn't any danger at all. Maybe it's just me. Otherwise, darn good story, helmets or not!
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 10, 2006 18:38:04 GMT -5
The parademons had them trapped, and were closing in, but it was a pretty big area. And I bet Dick has the TT on speed dial. (Or Speedy dial) One button and...
Thanks for reading and reviewing!
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Post by jrfan133 on Aug 11, 2006 0:04:11 GMT -5
Another great Nightwing issue. What more is there to say? And that cover was amazing. Thanks! I love your name and avatar.
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Post by Darkseid Is on Aug 11, 2006 19:20:10 GMT -5
Thanks, I like it too!
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Post by Lantern Lad on Aug 18, 2006 11:35:48 GMT -5
Lame plot twists? Interested to know exactly what was meant by that... I strive for the lame, hopefully I don't disappoint.
Anyway, an excellent chapter in the Crisis saga! It was fast paced, action packed & insightful (as usual) into the inner-workings of Dick Graysons mind! I too thought that it started to slow down once he made the 'Speedy-dial' to the Titans, and as soon as they arrived I wanted to see them in more detailed action. But then I realised that Teen Titans comes out the following week (I'm a week behind & trying to play catch up amidst my stacks of homework) & if you tackled their action, we wouldn't have anything to read in their own title!
That being said, I do have one question: You stated the the American Government went into hiding. Now this does makes sense, but was it featured in an issue of something somewhere? I missed it...
Excellent issue: BEST OF THE WEEK!
The sound of applause for your excellent writing!
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 18, 2006 13:33:52 GMT -5
Glad you liked!
I threw in the line about the government going into hiding because it just felt like commonsense. I wasn't sure what was going on in the other titles, but it seemed to me that if the White House didn't get vaporized in the initial attack, the President was going to head for a bunker somewhere. And if it did, then the VP, or some vestige of Congress, or heck, some charismatic mayor from the suburbs was going to hide out somewhere and try to bolster some sort of resistance.
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Post by timdrake on Aug 18, 2006 18:22:02 GMT -5
This is by and far the best book on this site, month after month. Instead of worrying about shocking the reader, or lame plot twists, this writer continues to work diligently to create a well rounded character. This "event" became secondary to Dick's involvement with it. Well done. I agree with this completely. I'm always looking forward to Nightwing and it never fails to impress (unlike the DCU Nightwing that I look forward to when there's a new writer and dissapoints every time), this issue is no different. Keep up the great work, both you and JR (the cover looks really nice).
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Post by Romans Empire on Aug 18, 2006 20:15:35 GMT -5
To go along with Ellen's explanation, The U.S. government goes into hiding sub-plot is expanded in(Crisis part 8) issue#7 of the Suicide Squad. Maxwell Lord only wishes he had made it to a bunker in time!
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 20, 2006 0:24:39 GMT -5
This is by and far the best book on this site, month after month. Instead of worrying about shocking the reader, or lame plot twists, this writer continues to work diligently to create a well rounded character. This "event" became secondary to Dick's involvement with it. Well done. I agree with this completely. I'm always looking forward to Nightwing and it never fails to impress (unlike the DCU Nightwing that I look forward to when there's a new writer and dissapoints every time), this issue is no different. Keep up the great work, both you and JR (the cover looks really nice). Thanks! Sadly, after #9 I'm taking a break from the title to work on a sequel for Locked Inside the Facade. I wish I could write both, but unfortunately, real-life constraints mean I won't be able to meet deadlines if I'm working on two projects simultaneously. I do hope to return to the title when I'm done with the Locked sequel. And Dick Grayson has some MAJOR things to do in that sequel.
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Post by batarang on Aug 21, 2006 13:36:17 GMT -5
I guess everybody else has the major points covered. Even though you claim this style of story is not your metier, you took an action-fueled plot and made it distinctly your own. It works, and it is the mark of a great writer which you most certainly are.
Heck, most of the story took place on a motorcycle and I was still engrossed. You are so in tune with Dick's character that it was fascinating to see his thought processes while under such heavy duress. Dick wanting Bruce's approval popped up again, (maybe he needs therapy? Is there a superhero shrink?)) though now Dick sees that even the great Batman has failings too.
Once again, a fantastic read and another thrilling chapter in the crisis.
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Post by dragonbat on Aug 21, 2006 18:29:06 GMT -5
Dick is probably always going to WANT Bruce's approval. What he's starting to realize more fully all the time is that he doesn't actually NEED it anymore. And just because he doesn't always get it doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong.
I'm glad you enjoyed this one!
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