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Post by HoM on May 8, 2008 6:35:36 GMT -5
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Post by Susan Hillwig on May 10, 2008 12:19:18 GMT -5
Very good! Action-packed with lots of surprises. I just wish you hadn't ditched Phantom Stranger so soon!
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Post by Merai on May 10, 2008 13:26:13 GMT -5
Ah, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.
This is the issue I was looking forward to, since obviously it affects some of the stuff I'm writing in a big way. (For any continuity people out there, this arc takes place roughly simultaneously with the first arc of 'New Gods')
SO I admit, when I read thgis issue, 90% of it was to focus on how you handled... her. And the answer is; magnicently. I love the old bag, and you nailed her distinct voice perfectly- that hideous, mocking quality was just oozing from the page. I don't have time for a full review now, but I just wanted to throw that in there- comments on the writing, cover and Diana herself later, but the issue definitely gets a big thumbs up!
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Post by starlord on May 11, 2008 10:44:08 GMT -5
I thought this issue was even better than the last one! Charlie, you really stepped up the stakes on this and the twist was not what I was expecting at all... and a great twist at that!
What I really want to know is... where the Hades did Ares go?!?!
Now, to contradict my feelings on guest appearances, I'm going to agree with Susan. Phantom Strangers appearance was way too short. Would have loved to more of him. Still, it did make sense and a logical exit.
5 well deserved stars!
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Post by HoM on May 11, 2008 15:38:08 GMT -5
Very good! Action-packed with lots of surprises. I just wish you hadn't ditched Phantom Stranger so soon! Oh, the Phantom Stranger shall return... Next issue! I didn't mean for it to happen, but he just appeared, and he's all... Brooding and awesome. God love the Phantom Stranger
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Post by HoM on May 11, 2008 15:43:17 GMT -5
I thought this issue was even better than the last one! Charlie, you really stepped up the stakes on this and the twist was not what I was expecting at all... and a great twist at that! Thank you! That cliffhanger underwent many rewrites, and I have to thank my editor for talking it through with me. Don's been really amazing with the ideas we bounce off of each other, and this issue wouldn't be as it is right now if it wasn't for him. And that's totally a good thing. What I really want to know is... where the Hades did Ares go?!?! Into #26! Shush, don't tell him! Now, to contradict my feelings on guest appearances, I'm going to agree with Susan. Phantom Strangers appearance was way too short. Would have loved to more of him. Still, it did make sense and a logical exit. #25! You'll love it... I hope! Guess that means more people should read it
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Post by arcalian on May 13, 2008 20:29:11 GMT -5
I liked where Ares was imprisoned, I rather think he will be back.
I wonder if Darkseid knows of Granny's ambitions to set up shop on Earth, as it were....
Yey for Hippolyta!
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Post by David on May 14, 2008 6:41:36 GMT -5
Seems like you're hitting your stride with this issue, Charlie! I really enjoyed this tale. From the moody, creepy trek to the Underworld right up to the cliffhanger confrontation with Granny in Hades' throneroom. I certainly didn't expect to see her there (Great Shades of Amazons Attack, though!)--- though this is the Underworld, so it makes sense.
One part that doesn't make sense, at least so far, is the very dramatic (and somewhat cliched) opening statement of "This is the day the world ended." How does this relate to this issue at all? Did I miss something?
As for the cover... Well, I can recognize that it is great drawing, but I just can't bring myself to look at it for too long. There is something disturbing and ugly about it (not an inappropriate reaction, given the subject matter); maybe it's the colors, the bone-white logo, or that creepy stance of the Stranger...
Looking forward to the conclusion of this tale, which keeps getting better and better!
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Post by David on May 14, 2008 6:45:58 GMT -5
I wonder if Darkseid knows of Granny's ambitions to set up shop on Earth, as it were.... Darkseid has been trapped on the Source Wall since Giant-Sized Justice League Issue 0, almost two years ago! Or is he...?(I honestly don't know myself, but I'm going to read Kevin Feeney's excellent New Gods to find out!)
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Post by HoM on May 14, 2008 7:29:28 GMT -5
I wonder if Darkseid knows of Granny's ambitions to set up shop on Earth, as it were.... Darkseid has been trapped on the Source Wall since Giant-Sized Justice League Issue 0, almost two years ago! Or is he...?(I honestly don't know myself, but I'm going to read Kevin Feeney's excellent New Gods to find out!)Or the finale to the Green Lantern run I had with Scott...?
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Post by HoM on May 14, 2008 7:36:53 GMT -5
I liked where Ares was imprisoned, I rather think he will be back. #26! I wonder if Darkseid knows of Granny's ambitions to set up shop on Earth, as it were.... Like Dave said, Darkseid is trapped in the Source Wall... Or he was, before the Source Wall was destroyed and reconstituted in Green Lantern #10...! Big New God plans are in the making, Jay... Nothing is as it seems.
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Post by HoM on May 14, 2008 7:41:41 GMT -5
Seems like you're hitting your stride with this issue, Charlie! Thank you! Thank God! Though, in all honesty, I think next issue might be a hiccup, as, well, "everything changes". I really enjoyed this tale. From the moody, creepy trek to the Underworld right up to the cliffhanger confrontation with Granny in Hades' throneroom. I really enjoyed writing the opening. It was just... Fun. And you didn't mind the Granny reveal? I thought some people would cringe at it... I certainly didn't expect to see her there (Great Shades of Amazons Attack, though!)--- though this is the Underworld, so it makes sense. Nothing is as it seems. One part that doesn't make sense, at least so far, is the very dramatic (and somewhat cliched) opening statement of "This is the day the world ended." How does this relate to this issue at all? Did I miss something? All will be revealed next issue. That was something I was questioning having, but in the context of the overall story, once completed, will make sense I *hope*. Due to the rewrite, it makes less sense than it would have without the rewrite, but none the less, all shall be revealed. As for the cover... Well, I can recognize that it is great drawing, but I just can't bring myself to look at it for too long. There is something disturbing and ugly about it (not an inappropriate reaction, given the subject matter); maybe it's the colors, the bone-white logo, or that creepy stance of the Stranger... Ramon's an artistic genius, and I loved what he did with this cover. It does exude the right amount of macabre-ness that I think the issue needs... Looking forward to the conclusion of this tale, which keeps getting better and better! Thanks!
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Post by Merai on May 14, 2008 13:29:48 GMT -5
Darkseid has been trapped on the Source Wall since Giant-Sized Justice League Issue 0, almost two years ago! Or is he...?(I honestly don't know myself, but I'm going to read Kevin Feeney's excellent New Gods to find out!)Is he indeed!? [shameless plug]As Charlie pointed out, big things have happened with that wall- but it really calls to mind the question, was Darkseid fully free, or just starting to pull free? And if he is free, where the Apokolips is he? And hey, doesn't the Source Wall provide a window into the Source itself- what might Darkseid pull from THAT? And how will Granny's doings here tie in with New Gods anyway? ...If ONLY someone knew... [/shameless plug] Back to the issue at hand! As I've mentioned before, I'm no big Wonder Woman afficienado, but even a cursory glance shows it's a lot harder to write than most titles. The characters, the scope, are all very hard to capture without making it seem remote. What Charlie's done throughout his run so far is to emphasise both the divinity and the humanity of Diana and her cast, no mean feat! The Hades scene at the start is both chilling and supernatural, which of course it should be. Tension is built slowly and effectively throughout the issue until the "big reveal"- even though I knew what was coming, I found the little scene with Persepherone to be well written, as it both alarms the reader (It's not Hades!) and builds up the evil of Granny. Also? Charlie's attention to continuity remains fearsome with the little note about Granny's original death, something that was actually missed (IIRC) by the writers of Justice League #0 itself, who had her operational there again. The entire Granny scene is just superb, as I said above, Charlie has captured her unique voice perfectly and it's genuinely a pleasure to read. I know we had a discussion on Godhood and how these characters are not just superhumans but far more, and I tihnk Charlie brought that out perfectly in this scene. My biggest problem? I'm not a fan of the Phantom Stranger. I know some are, but I'm just... not. There are enough vague, supernaturla DC people in my view, and I don't know what he provides that Doctor Fate or Spectre or whoever can't in some form. The cover itself was good also, if a bit abstract, but I'm not a fan of the green background or the completely plain logo. Overall, 4 stars- great work!
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Post by HoM on May 14, 2008 13:54:08 GMT -5
Is he indeed!? [shameless plug]As Charlie pointed out, big things have happened with that wall- but it really calls to mind the question, was Darkseid fully free, or just starting to pull free? And if he is free, where the Apokolips is he? And hey, doesn't the Source Wall provide a window into the Source itself- what might Darkseid pull from THAT? And how will Granny's doings here tie in with New Gods anyway? ...If ONLY someone knew... [/shameless plug] Back to the issue at hand! ... Yes, back to the issue at hand As I've mentioned before, I'm no big Wonder Woman afficienado, More fool you... but even a cursory glance shows it's a lot harder to write than most titles. Y'think? The characters, the scope, are all very hard to capture without making it seem remote. And it's not even started to become a chore What Charlie's done throughout his run so far is to emphasise both the divinity and the humanity of Diana and her cast, no mean feat! I promise more gods in the upcoming issues, but also, the DC2 introduction of the one WW mythos character most of you thought I should write. The Hades scene at the start is both chilling and supernatural, which of course it should be. It was fun Tension is built slowly and effectively throughout the issue until the "big reveal"- even though I knew what was coming, I found the little scene with Persepherone to be well written, as it both alarms the reader (It's not Hades!) and builds up the evil of Granny. Would you believe I even have major Persepherone plans?! Also? Charlie's attention to continuity remains fearsome with the little note about Granny's original death, something that was actually missed (IIRC) by the writers of Justice League #0 itself, who had her operational there again. Those fools! The entire Granny scene is just superb, as I said above, Charlie has captured her unique voice perfectly and it's genuinely a pleasure to read. I know we had a discussion on Godhood and how these characters are not just superhumans but far more, and I tihnk Charlie brought that out perfectly in this scene. Cheers man, thanks a lot...! My biggest problem? I'm not a fan of the Phantom Stranger. It's why no one talks to you. I know some are, but I'm just... not. There are enough vague, supernaturla DC people in my view, and I don't know what he provides that Doctor Fate or Spectre or whoever can't in some form. One thing I guess. Apparently, he isn't being kept from us all by Dave. ... The cover itself was good also, if a bit abstract, but I'm not a fan of the green background or the completely plain logo. Fool! Overall, 4 stars- great work! Cheers, man!
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Post by lissilambe on May 14, 2008 14:16:29 GMT -5
I can answer the Phantom Stranger front a little bit, at least. See, the way the Phantom Stranger is portrayed these days is a far cry from his original presentation, and it's that distinction that makes all the difference. These days, he's much more of a Spectre or Doctor Fate magical super-hero without an actual history or secret identity...being all enigmatic and such. But when he first debuted, he wasn't like that at all. he guided others who were in trouble to figure out their own solutions to the messes they were in, and only pulled out any magical jiggery-pokery that was necessary to defeat a too-powerful supernatural menace for the mundane victim at the center of the tale...only when the mundane had helped himself out of his catastrophe (or done his best to do so). If Spectre was "the Wrath of God" then Stranger was the lesson "God helps those who help themselves" incarnate. Or in another direction (one I'd love to try and explore in a team-up series, I think), he was like Rod Serling in the Twilight Zone...but imagine if Rod actually said his opening and closing spiels to the people in the story rather than the TV audience. THAT was much more the original Stranger's run...and I'll be the first to admit, a much more interesting take than several of his most recent appearances. I think. Take care Don Oh yeah, great issue, glad to have edited it, Charlie's a genius, yadda yadda Seriously though...GREAT issue, Charlie's gotten his hook on Diana now, and things are ramping up awesomely, and I loved the cliffhanger ending. I cheered, it was great.
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Post by David on May 14, 2008 17:38:57 GMT -5
Also? Charlie's attention to continuity remains fearsome with the little note about Granny's original death, something that was actually missed (IIRC) by the writers of Justice League #0 itself, who had her operational there again. Huh? Really? Where? I'm fairly certain I didn't write Granny Goodness into JL #0 at all...
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Post by Merai on May 14, 2008 17:51:34 GMT -5
Huh? Really? Where? I'm fairly certain I didn't write Granny Goodness into JL #0 at all... Whoops, my apologies- she wasn't in JL 0! However... she was in Wonder Woman #10 which was still after her death, that's what I was thinking of. And unfortunately... err... the writer was still... y'know. I'm sure most people didn't notice it, these things always happen to the best of us, I just noticed it when I was maniacally going through every issue of the IXE and noting down every appearance for every single New God in detail to ensure the NG book matched up with it.
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Post by David on May 14, 2008 17:58:00 GMT -5
Huh? Really? Where? I'm fairly certain I didn't write Granny Goodness into JL #0 at all... Whoops, my apologies- she wasn't in JL 0! However... she was in Wonder Woman #10 which was still after her death, that's what I was thinking of. And unfortunately... err... the writer was still... y'know. Ah, yes, you see what happened there was... Umm... (I got nuttin')
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Post by goldk on May 30, 2008 21:38:01 GMT -5
Charlie you did it again!!! Bravo!
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