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Post by HoM on Jul 2, 2008 5:46:51 GMT -5
Please let us know what you think!
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Post by starlord on Jul 3, 2008 19:25:27 GMT -5
Excellent issue! Tightly written and extremely well paced. I thought your Green Lantern was some of your best work, but you're beating that by miles with Wonder Woman, and that is really saying something.
I've never enjoyed Circe as much as I have in this book. And what an emotional issue to boot. Wonder Woman loses a husband and a friend all on the same day! I can't wait to see what the next issue has in store.
And dare I even mention that little piece with the psychiatrist. Is it who I think it is? If it is, this is a villain I've been waiting to see for a long time!
The cover, by the way, was one of the most beautiful pieces of work that has graced these boards.
Five brilliant stars.
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Post by HoM on Jul 3, 2008 19:34:30 GMT -5
Excellent issue! Tightly written and extremely well paced. I thought your Green Lantern was some of your best work, but you're beating that by miles with Wonder Woman, and that is really saying something. Thanks a lot! As Don can attest to, this and #25 really tormented me. I thought they were going to be made of fail, and a continuity heavy issue as this one, referring to so many past issues, could have crashed and burned by the first call back. I've never enjoyed Circe as much as I have in this book. To be honest, I just sent crazy with her in this issue, mocking Diana's closely held belief in the truth, her sisters, she's basically the Trickster, come to ruin Wonder Woman's day. In between her last appearance, in WW22, I do believe, she's been busy. Travelling the world, becoming more... Modern. I have a back story for her new attitude, but hey, I'm not going to pop up every time I introduce a character and give you my detailed biography on her, am I? And what an emotional issue to boot. Wonder Woman loses a husband and a friend all on the same day! I can't wait to see what the next issue has in store. This was tying up a major plot thread from Dave's run, and also tidying up the island a bit. A major flaw in Sam's belated run was his development of Hippolytus. A male King of the Amazons? Please. And dare I even mention that little piece with the psychiatrist. Is it who I think it is? If it is, this is a villain I've been waiting to see for a long time! Three years. Three years I've wanted to write this bastard. And next issue? I'm not even sure his story will be followed up... Got some plans... The cover, by the way, was one of the most beautiful pieces of work that has graced these boards. Five brilliant stars. Ramon continues to astound me. I'm lucky to have him on all my books  |
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Post by lissilambe on Jul 3, 2008 19:57:10 GMT -5
And of course, if you don't want to wait any longer, Brian, you can get a gander at Doctor Psycho in action over at DC3, in Earth-Five's Ultimate Wonder Woman #1. This is a great villain for Diana, and to see him getting double the exposure is good to see.  take care Don |
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Post by zirron on Jul 4, 2008 10:24:31 GMT -5
Charlie,
My God, you can write this book with flair, using Dramatis personæ as if it's your own temple to Diana and her world...
This book was meant to be penned by you. I am definitely a faithful reader for however long you want to write it.
The cover is outstanding... Looking back on the past issues when David wrote this book it reminded me of the outstanding collaborations that was put together then. I find no fault in the art or prose...
***** from me.
well done.
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Post by HoM on Jul 4, 2008 12:13:07 GMT -5
Yo. My God, you can write this book with flair, using Dramatis personæ as if it's your own temple to Diana and her world... Thanks Jay! Like I said, I was worried this was going to be weak, but apparently I was wrong! Glad you're reading This book was meant to be penned by you. I am definitely a faithful reader for however long you want to write it. If you ask me nicely, I'll send you #27. Finished it this morning  The cover is outstanding... Looking back on the past issues when David wrote this book it reminded me of the outstanding collaborations that was put together then. I find no fault in the art or prose... Thanks! Just trying not to let the side down. Big things for next issue, with a three part arc called "The Herald", taking Diana from America, to Russia, to the dreamscape of reality and back again. Should be rollocking. Cheers! |
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Post by mockingbird on Jul 6, 2008 12:32:36 GMT -5
I think you were right to worry a little about so much continuity, but heck, that's what makes these sites what they are so far into a run like this, it'd be silly not to use everything you've built up before. As someone coming into this pretty new, I'll admit i skimmed a little, but you certainly got my attention with that fight. Lots of well-done and interesting character moments all throughout the only big criticism i have here is, don't joke around when you're putting in author's notes it pulled me out of the story too much. you don't need to make your footnotes interesting, when the story's plenty exciting. * ah, i always forget something XD I do like your Psycho. Very creepy and that scene was very effective. Looking forward to seeing what you do with him, he's got a lot of potential |
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Post by HoM on Jul 6, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -5
I think you were right to worry a little about so much continuity, but heck, that's what makes these sites what they are so far into a run like this, it'd be silly not to use everything you've built up before. As someone coming into this pretty new, I'll admit i skimmed a little, but you certainly got my attention with that fight. Lots of well-done and interesting character moments all throughout Thanks Sam! the only big criticism i have here is, don't joke around when you're putting in author's notes it pulled me out of the story too much. you don't need to make your footnotes interesting, when the story's plenty exciting. That was more my own exasperation at the winding continuity nods I was throwing in. My bad. I'll go back now, and remove them * ah, i always forget something XD I do like your Psycho. Very creepy and that scene was very effective. Looking forward to seeing what you do with him, he's got a lot of potential #27 only gets worse with "the small man"... |
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Post by Merai on Jul 6, 2008 17:28:53 GMT -5
The best of your Wonder Woman issues yet, Charlie- at least from what I've read. The power really bursts from the page, and it's funny to watch your grip on Diana's character seem to explode leaps and bounds with each issue- and it wasn't exactly bad to begin with!
As I've noted before, I've read very little Wonder Woman. In point of fact, I know exactly three of her villains and that is all. Which is why it amused me that two of them were in this issue! (C'mon Giganta next!) That said, I was very impressed with Circe in this issue, as she did seem genuinely threatening throughout.
Poor Hippolytus. I spent the issue being a bit wierd-ed out by his relationship with Diana and then.... A pity, from what little I saw of him, he was an interesting character, but what a way to go- if indeed, he is gone! The best scene of the issue in my view though was absolutely the one with everyone's favourite psychotic psychologist! It definitely stole the show.
The ONLY reason this is four stars and not five from me is because it felt a little dense at times, continuity-wise. There were a LOT of editors notes, even when it wasn't entirely necessary, IMO, and that made it seem denser than it was, and in the sequence with Ares and Athena I was a little lost with all the name-drops and vaguely referenced events. Still, even then I was damn close to giving it five, and I'll definitely be back next month!
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Jul 13, 2008 14:50:53 GMT -5
Dear Charlie,
You're making me like Wonder Woman.
I hate you for that.
5 stars, well deserved.
See ya next month,
- Susan
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Post by HoM on Jul 13, 2008 16:33:44 GMT -5
Dear Charlie, You're making me like Wonder Woman. I hate you for that. 5 stars, well deserved. See ya next month, - Susan Dear Madame, I apologize for any discomfort caused by your reading of this issue. May I suggest visiting your local General Practitioner and listing all the symptoms of your malady? With regards, Charles. PS, thanks for reading |
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Post by HoM on Jul 13, 2008 16:41:27 GMT -5
The best of your Wonder Woman issues yet, Charlie- at least from what I've read. The power really bursts from the page, and it's funny to watch your grip on Diana's character seem to explode leaps and bounds with each issue- and it wasn't exactly bad to begin with! Thanks a lot, Kevin. People were right, I was struggling when it came to getting a handle on her voice, but I think I've got it now... Maybe? We'll see next issue... As I've noted before, I've read very little Wonder Woman. In point of fact, I know exactly three of her villains and that is all. Which is why it amused me that two of them were in this issue! (C'mon Giganta next!) That said, I was very impressed with Circe in this issue, as she did seem genuinely threatening throughout. Cool! Giganta? I'll see what I can do in the coming months. Wonder Woman has a really interesting pantheon of enemies if you really delve into her history, Villainly, Inc. among them... Poor Hippolytus. I spent the issue being a bit wierd-ed out by his relationship with Diana and then.... A pity, from what little I saw of him, he was an interesting character, but what a way to go- if indeed, he is gone! If you look at Wonder Woman #25, there are mentions of his coming to Patriarch's World, and I wanted to ramp up that idea that yes, maybe he could come to New York and fight crime. In fact, knowing my past tenures on other books, you might half expect me to kill off Diana and make him the main character. But I like what you did there, Kevin. "...if indeed, he is gone..." The best scene of the issue in my view though was absolutely the one with everyone's favourite psychotic psychologist! It definitely stole the show. That was a fun one to do, I think, playing to my strengths. The ONLY reason this is four stars and not five from me is because it felt a little dense at times, continuity-wise. There were a LOT of editors notes, even when it wasn't entirely necessary, IMO, and that made it seem denser than it was, and in the sequence with Ares and Athena I was a little lost with all the name-drops and vaguely referenced events. Still, even then I was damn close to giving it five, and I'll definitely be back next month! Well then maybe I should have left you flapping about like a fish out of water. This is what I get for trying to help... |
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Post by lissilambe on Jul 26, 2008 13:12:37 GMT -5
Good stuff going on here. A small coda to the previous storyline with Phantom Stranger, onto a fun feasting and then the villain of the issue. Along the way, we get a look at an odd sort of character, the "King of the Amazons" Hippolytus. Somehow, he came off very well, and losing him at the end of the issue was effective and the reader felt for this loss, and that's a great credit to the writer most definitely.
Circe was a fun, "Magic Joker" kind of foe this time around and it was great to read. Good action to punctuate a nicely-done-in-one issue, and congrats on that, Charlie. Good work. And a great cover to go with this story, I loved it.
Take care
Don
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Post by HoM on Jul 27, 2008 7:50:58 GMT -5
Good stuff going on here. A small coda to the previous storyline with Phantom Stranger, onto a fun feasting and then the villain of the issue. Along the way, we get a look at an odd sort of character, the "King of the Amazons" Hippolytus. Somehow, he came off very well, and losing him at the end of the issue was effective and the reader felt for this loss, and that's a great credit to the writer most definitely. I tried really hard with Hippolytus. I personally think he's a character that wasn't suited for the Wonder Woman mythos, simply because, like you said, he's the "King of the Amazon". It just seemed off. That doesn't mean I don't know where he went. Because I do... Circe was a fun, "Magic Joker" kind of foe this time around and it was great to read. Good action to punctuate a nicely-done-in-one issue, and congrats on that, Charlie. Good work. And a great cover to go with this story, I loved it. Take care Don Thanks, really happy with what Ramon did with this cover. Next month we debut a new cover artist, and we go in a new direction. Should be interesting, I do think! |
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Post by David on Jul 27, 2008 9:06:10 GMT -5
Re: Hippolytus, "King of the Amazons"
I did not pull this character out of thin air, he is mentioned in both Plutarch and Euripides, and I always thought he was a notable absence in the annals of the Amazons as his mother was the only Amazon to have married. Natuarlly, the question follows--- what would this beloved son of a royal mother mean to a matriarchy? I wanted to see that question explored.
Of course, I don't think the potential of this character was realized in the runs since I introduced him, but I'd rather see him taken off-stage as he abruptly is in this issue, than continue to see him wasted in this title. At least his "exit" was tied to his entrance, bringing Circe back (though I had to cringe at his last line--- I get that you tried to establish his restlessness earlier in the issue, but I never saw this ancient Greek warrior-prince as a-boy-who-wouldn't-grow-up).
Also, I see that you've shied away from the full-blooded connotations of Diana's marriage to her cousin (retconning-out the wedding night consummation--- Sam makes it clear that it happened in Annual #1). Perhaps not a bad thing, as the fan base is perhaps not ready to see Diana as a sexual being.
The editorial notations were too frequent and somewhat unnecessary. It was nice to see something done with the Mask of Hecate long-lost subplot , if it was a bit anti-climactic (Hades Tear was an interesting concept, though).
While the dialogue still reads as stilted and a bit formal in places (but, incongruously enough, not formal enough in others--- particularly from Ares), it's clear the writer is growing into this title.
Very nice cover, Ramon. One of the best representations of Diana I've seen around here!
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Post by HoM on Jul 27, 2008 9:35:50 GMT -5
Natuarlly, the question follows--- what would this beloved son of a royal mother mean to a matriarchy? I wanted to see that question explored. I'm sure you must have spoken the character through with Sam when he took over the reins of the book, and I'm sure that Sam had a plan for him, but Hippolytus was left hanging when that writer left, and a character left hanging, in my opinion, is not an attractive one to use. I didn't hate him, but I didn't want to use him straight away either, so he's taken off the board for now, maybe to return at a later date. Also, if you wanted that question to be explored, maybe you should have written him! You left him in a spot before Sam arrived (but then he took the character and went forward him, so that's why I assume you talked it over with him) so we didn't really get to see any progression (and he was abandoned from the cast of the book one or two issues into Sam's run). Of course, I don't think the potential of this character was realized in the runs since I introduced him, but I'd rather see him taken off-stage as he abruptly is in this issue, than continue to see him wasted in this title. At least his "exit" was tied to his entrance, bringing Circe back (though I had to cringe at his last line--- I get that you tried to establish his restlessness earlier in the issue, but I never saw this ancient Greek warrior-prince as a-boy-who-wouldn't-grow-up). This was tying into Wonder Woman #25 too, with reference to Hippolytus coming to Man's World in the wake of Diana's leaving. If Diana had died in the Underworld, then Circe wouldn't have wanted to seek revenge, and Hippolytus would still be alive... Also, I see that you've shied away from the full-blooded connotations of Diana's marriage to her cousin (retconning-out the wedding night consummation--- Sam makes it clear that it happened in Annual #1). Perhaps not a bad thing, as the fan base is perhaps not ready to see Diana as a sexual being. I have no problem with Diana being a sexual being, and it's been the focus of a few conversations with writer's across the site, but I didn't like Hippolytus and Diana's relationship. I agreed with it on more symbolic terms, with their marriage bringing together the two tribes, but more than that, I saw it as a marriage of convenience. The editorial notations were too frequent and somewhat unnecessary. It was nice to see something done with the Mask of Hecate long-lost subplot , if it was a bit anti-climactic (Hades Tear was an interesting concept, though). That's what happens when items and subplots are vaguely defined. Sorry you didn't like it though, I was happy with how it turned out. While the dialogue still reads as stilted and a bit formal in places (but, incongruously enough, not formal enough in others--- particularly from Ares), it's clear the writer is growing into this title. Thanks a lot, I'm trying hard with this title, and I'm sorry you've not enjoyed it so far. Very nice cover, Ramon. One of the best representations of Diana I've seen around here! Yeah, Ramon pulled that out of nowhere. Love it |
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