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Post by HoM on Oct 31, 2013 13:14:59 GMT -5
The first two stories have struck, with two more to come...
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Let us know... what you think...
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Post by HoM on Oct 31, 2013 15:07:43 GMT -5
Well, I'm off to go watch The Wicker Man, but I hope you take a moment to read these four tales of terror and share your thoughts... I know I will when I'm back!
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Post by HoM on Oct 31, 2013 18:20:50 GMT -5
I'm going to go each story separately, write up my feedback as I go and comment on them accordingly-- and what a place to start! “The Cabinet of Giovanni Zatara”David, the atmosphere in your opening scene is great! I quite like Terry Thirteen, though as a concept he's quite troublesome in a world where we have so many magic users. But I like that he still has his place, and whenever I see him I know I'm in for a good time-- the concept forces the writer to be smart with his use, else what's the point? I was pulled out of the atmosphere by the first Traci scene-- for a thirteen year old, she spends a lot of her birthdays in jail cells? Yikes, that's... that's worrying, isn't it? A thirteen year old wanting to go to a rave? When I was thirteen all I wanted was to go out and play rugby or sit at home and play on the new Pokemon game... but as the scene picked up and the new, mysterious voice arrived, I was dragged back in.
I love love love Zatara as a character, and I love the showmanship inherent to his shtick, so having his memorabilia on display makes perfect sense and adds a great layer of character onto his house. Tong is a wonderful, weary character. Is he an original creation or part of mainstream continuity? He seems a little too racist a concept to be an OC, but I'd never put something like that past you, David Traci's voice is fantastic. “Dad…? Scary Old Asian Guy…?” made me laugh out loud, the balance between increasing sinister-ness and comedy clear. Then tattoos were mentioned on a twelve year old (DAVID, DUDE, C'MON) and I was dragged out. Leroy is a nice little addition to the story, by the way. His little snipey remarks are a great counterpoint to Traci. Amazing for an iguana! The Adored One is horrible sounding! Beautiful and disgusting at the same time, the juxtaposition between the description and the reaction Traci has to it was so weird, and I liked that. And then Zatanna! I was actually expecting Sindella (I'm not familiar with her back story so I don't know if she's a player on the board at the moment) but it was not an unwelcome surprise. I love the character and the relationship with her father (his death in Swamp Thing and his "appearances" in Starman) were quite seminal for me as a young reader. Always fun to see her around!
A nice little story, showcasing the Thirteens brilliantly. A great story of two families and how they interact, and a nice furthering of all those involved (some more so than others). Thanks for contributing, David! A great start to one of my favourite DC2 traditions! WE ARE BACK.
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Post by HoM on Oct 31, 2013 18:33:07 GMT -5
"The Whisperer in Wood"
Don, you used the term "glass eyes" way too early and the thing in my chest that tightens when dummies are around gripped my heart tight. That opening was superb, and I was there, straight away, where you wanted me to be. I don't know whether or not to congratulate on that, my friend.
And as we push forward, it's just... it's a horror film. Brian investigating, finding a dummy and some tortured, broken shape of a human with them. Get rid of one dummy, then there's another. The body in the tree was the worst and hit like a gutpunch, and those dummies that are almost... almost moving... ah, fuckdammit, Don...
I actually read this through, because I couldn't pull myself from it to write the feedback as I went. This is going to sound weird, but I didn't enjoy it in the best possible way. This was horrible. These are the stories that fill me with dread and mean I'm going to have to close my bedroom door tonight. The Dummy is a concept I've never really... well, I never liked, as you well know, so seeing the hint of an origin (the 'shame pole' was a nice little addition, is it yours to add to the character?) was intriguing. A lot of the time in horror, if you show where the monster comes from (What do you mean Michael Myers is The Shape because of a Celtic curse? C'MON!!) it dilutes the brand, but this was different. It made the creature more terrifying. It hasn't answered all the questions, and it's raised even more.
God.
Dammit.
And the cameo at the end, the cavalry, as it were, was pitch perfect.
Ugh.
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Post by HoM on Oct 31, 2013 19:02:23 GMT -5
"Arkham at All-Hallows"The Joker works best for me now in small doses. I don't like Joker events, I don't like big sprawling arcs with him. He's become too big, and due to that over exposure I just don't care that much. Maybe someone can break that trend (if anyone could, they're already on this site ) so when I saw that this was going to feature The Joker, I was intrigued. I didn't fear the worst, because Fantomas has shown a great grasp of these characters, so that was in the back of my head when I went in... And what a story. This was a genuinely creepy story. I love Jim Gordon and I love the Arkham setting, and this just mounted more and more terror on top of it's self, until the end. I enjoyed Quincy's dad, I enjoyed Kellerman and Whistler (are they the guys from A Serious House?) and I enjoyed the first-person observations of what the Bat-Man is like. But The Joker... he was great. Just... horrible. I love a boogeyman, and Joker-as-boogeyman was so sinister, so terrifying. The descriptions matched with the illustrations painted a great picture, and that ending, that reveal, was just... great. Kellerman being rattled was scary, the seance was scary, and the Black Corridor was just... sad. A great piece of work, Fant.
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Post by David on Oct 31, 2013 20:37:27 GMT -5
Thanks for pulling this together, Charlie! It looks great.
Printing up this bad boy and taking it to bed with me tonight!
(That didn't sound weird at all, right?)
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Post by lissilambe on Oct 31, 2013 23:51:14 GMT -5
A trio of great other stories in this anthology, and it's great to be the fourth in the barbershop quartet...FROM HELL!! David, I thoroughly enjoyed this story. These are some fun characters to see, and even if Dr. Thirteen is the only character in the entire DC IP Library that belongs in a DCUniverse less than Jonah Hex (yeah, I'm that kind of heretic), it's always good to see him in action. Great character, good story, and the sort-of bonding between father and daughter was great. And always good to see a sequel hook put into place. Fantomas, very well done with a nicely creepy, classic sort of Arkham story. Very well done putting the pieces into place, some wonderfully etched descriptions and characterizations, and I agree with Charlie about Joker needing a light touch these days, and you did that very well. I'm not sure the picture added anything really, but who cares? the story was very solid, beautifully evocative in a horrific way, and provided some excellent chills. Charlie, this was an intriguing fall down a very nasty, very brutal rabbit hole. The development of the characters was well-done, and the concepts creepy as all get-out. A fantastic origin story for a villain you're eager to play with, and done in a wonderfully under-played, subtle, and disturbing body-horror story. Great job, guys! Take care Don
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Post by lissilambe on Nov 1, 2013 8:36:03 GMT -5
Charlie, thanks for the...nice? things you had to say about the story. I knew this is one that would rattle you, but you're low-hanging fruit with this kind of detail. Still and all, a nice target to aim for, and hope that it can creep anyone else out.
It was a horror film, it was meant to ape somewhere between that kind of scene in the movies where the unsuspecting cop is lured into the monster's den that he doesn't believe can exist and classic kind of pulpy Lovecraft.
Shame poles are kind of...anti-totem poles. LOL Totem Poles are carved to mark out special occasions, important stories in an area, or important people in the history of a tribe (but actually have no sacred element themselves, tribes would put them up and let them just kind of rot away, since they're not a point of worship or anything). Shame poles do the opposite: think of them as the editorial cartoons of their day. Just that this one was struck by lightning, and as we all know, that's a sign. Right? We all know that, right? It's not just me and my voices...?
Take care Don
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Post by Fantômas on Nov 1, 2013 13:18:33 GMT -5
So, thoughts as we go along:
The Cabinet of Giovanni Zatara
Old school horror vibe, which I'm liking. The theatrical magic that Zatara and Zatanna embody is alway enchanting, and you pull in plenty of the familiar and well-loved elements. The weird arcane collections, the mystical asian servant, the investigator.
But obviously it isn't played entirely straight, as we've got Girl 13, iPods and iguanas. There are all kinds of magical shades in the DC universe, from stageshow theatrics like the Zats, urban chaos magiks like Con-job, and other-level narrative magic with the Endless and so on. Seeing Traci, clearly the modern magic-user, interacting with an older-fashioned style was fun, and worked nicely.
Traci was written well in general, and made likeable, which isn't always the case with fictional teenagers. Will we see more of the Thirteens any time soon? There's plenty about them - and Traci especially, with the tattoos, the fun sceptical dad and magical daughter dynamic and so on - that feels like it's being introduced and teased. Love to see you writing them again, is what I'm getting at, I suppose.
Also, the Gotham Cemetery Halloween rave sounds incredible. The idea of a club scene that is unquestionably going to attract multiple supervillains to it and the weird thrillseekers that'd go...ha. Getting blasted on cheap shots and pills in a cemetery knowing that at the minimum Scarecrow is going to be making an appearance sounds terrifying, and utterly like Gotham's nightlife should be. You'd be glad the police raided it.
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Post by David on Nov 1, 2013 21:02:24 GMT -5
These holiday specials seem to really bring out the best in our community. Some very good work in this issue!
Don, you had me at the title: "The Whisperer in Wood." You brought your A-Game to this classic pulpy yarn, and nobody does this better. Like Charlie mentioned, this reads like a horror movie (but a classy Coen Brothers flick), but also something so connected with the history and continuity of our universe. You are such a consummate craftsman of story, that it's hard to imagine you don't get paid to do this for a living. Why does Judd Winick have a career in comics and you're still undiscovered?!?
Charlie, this was an elegant striped-down study in mood and atmosphere--- and while a gripping can't-look-away piece of fiction, it was barely fan fiction. I hardly noticed that this had anything to do with DC2 characters and situations, until the mounting horror reached a pinnacle at the end. Extremely creepy, very scary and very, very good writing that adds depth and (bloody red) color to what you are building to in an upcoming release.
Fantomas--- I saved this story for last, because I'm not much of a Batman fan, and I've not read your work before, so I had no expectations, but--- WOW! This could be my favorite story of the issue just because my enjoyment of it was so unexpected. I always get a little giddy when I find something new and cool, and now I have a new writer to follow on the DC2. Slick, evocative and respectful of what has come before, it scared me and made me sad and even made me sort of a Joker fan (as much as one could be a fan of a raving homicidal psychopath). You have Gordon's voice down pat, and while we've seen Arkham done before, I've never seen it done quite so disturbingly. Thanks for giving me a new writer to follow!
As for the cover--- can't go wrong with Gentleman Ghost and Detective Chimp! Very nice, job!
All in all, a five star effort!
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Post by mockingbird on Nov 1, 2013 21:51:29 GMT -5
Great job everyone - I'll have to come back and be more detailed later. Will say, I'm gonna want to look into Doctor and Traci Thirteen cause they were a lot of fun! Looks like we all came back just in time
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Post by David on Nov 2, 2013 7:31:34 GMT -5
I'm going to go each story separately, write up my feedback as I go and comment on them accordingly-- and what a place to start! “The Cabinet of Giovanni Zatara”David, the atmosphere in your opening scene is great! I quite like Terry Thirteen, though as a concept he's quite troublesome in a world where we have so many magic users. But I like that he still has his place, and whenever I see him I know I'm in for a good time-- the concept forces the writer to be smart with his use, else what's the point? This is exactly the problem with Doctor Thirteen! He shouldn't have a leg to stand on, given that this is a world with folks like Doctor Fate and the Spectre, so he was a bit tricky to write. I almost had to embue in him the a sort of non-belief that manifested as a super power of negation. LOL! Well, I can claim no special insight into the mind of a 13 year old, excpet from what I've observed in day to day life--- but Traci Thirteen isn't an ordinary 13 year old, so maybe that's what's going on there... Tong is an established character from Zatara's early days in Action Comics. He also appeared in my "Arkham Christmas Carol" with Zatara (of course, as that story was set in the 1930s, they were both young men). I discovered Leroy while researching Traci 13; he was useful in giving me something to bounce dialogue off of, establishing to Traci's character. If I'm remembering correctly, Brian covered Sindella's backstory in New Outsiders, during the Tamara storyline. And like Tong and Leroy, the Adored One is not an original character, but one I found while researching this story. He may even figure in a future project... Because obviously, he's not quite dealt with yet! I always thought Zatanna needed an apprentice... Maybe Girl 13 will pop up again somewhere else one of these days... Thanks, Charlie! It was my pleasure. Thank you for your feedback!
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Post by Fantômas on Nov 2, 2013 7:37:58 GMT -5
The Whisperer in Wood
I like a western, and a western with ventrioquist dummies and murder? How could I not be onboard with that?
Short, but effective at conveying the flavour of the world, characters and villains. From Slappy to Chuckie to Scarface, ventriloquist dummies are a very creepy threat, and it works really well in the western context, especially with the use of the 'shame pole'. Clever title, too.
Haunting finish to it, as well. Very enjoyable work.
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Post by David on Nov 2, 2013 7:38:06 GMT -5
A trio of great other stories in this anthology, and it's great to be the fourth in the barbershop quartet...FROM HELL!! LOL! I can see us now, in boater hats and striped jackets, with spiked tails and cloved hooves. Thanks, Don! Thirteen is definitely problematical, but I found him pretty fun once I get into it. I may have occassion to use him again (if I pursue certain angles I've hinted at, and that you've noted with your usual astuteness), but I fear his obtuseness might make him unlikable. ... And this marks the first time I've used obtuse and astute in the same sentence. Huh!
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Post by David on Nov 2, 2013 7:50:02 GMT -5
So, thoughts as we go along: The Cabinet of Giovanni ZataraOld school horror vibe, which I'm liking. The theatrical magic that Zatara and Zatanna embody is alway enchanting, and you pull in plenty of the familiar and well-loved elements. The weird arcane collections, the mystical asian servant, the investigator. Thanks, Fantomas! I thought it might come across as a bit cliched, but that's built into the character, so I just went with it. I love that whole aesthetic. I have a small collection of old-timey magician posters from the 19th and early 20th century (and love the novel Carter Beats the Devil). That was a dynamic I found interesting, too! I hope to have a chnace to further explore it... elsewhere (re: not-so-secret project spiralling out of my forthcoming New Outsiders special) Thank you, sir! I hope to bring them in, at least peripherally, in the aforementioned secret project. Very glad you liked my treatment of them! LOL! Exactly! Couldn't you just see Crazy Quilt spinning sdme records? Damn it, that scene must needs now be written! Thanks for the feedback, Fantomas!
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Post by Fantômas on Nov 2, 2013 8:14:07 GMT -5
Thank-you to everyone for such nice words. "Arkham at All-Hallows"The Joker works best for me now in small doses. I don't like Joker events, I don't like big sprawling arcs with him. He's become too big, and due to that over exposure I just don't care that much. Maybe someone can break that trend (if anyone could, they're already on this site ) so when I saw that this was going to feature The Joker, I was intrigued. I didn't fear the worst, because Fantomas has shown a great grasp of these characters, so that was in the back of my head when I went in... And what a story. This was a genuinely creepy story. I love Jim Gordon and I love the Arkham setting, and this just mounted more and more terror on top of it's self, until the end. I enjoyed Quincy's dad, I enjoyed Kellerman and Whistler (are they the guys from A Serious House?) and I enjoyed the first-person observations of what the Bat-Man is like. But The Joker... he was great. Just... horrible. I love a boogeyman, and Joker-as-boogeyman was so sinister, so terrifying. The descriptions matched with the illustrations painted a great picture, and that ending, that reveal, was just... great. Kellerman being rattled was scary, the seance was scary, and the Black Corridor was just... sad. A great piece of work, Fant. I feel pretty much the same with Joker. I've been thinking about trying to write him in a few different ways (which the super-MPD aspect supports), as I find thinking about how to do the creative often leads to newfound appreciation of characters and ideas, and this is one of them. A very young, early Joker who's kind of undefined still. He's not established that Joker/Bat dichotomy quite yet and is just running clever murder rackets, or diamond thefts (Golden Age Joker really liked diamonds - I had a line about this reflecting his multi-faceted nature, but can't remember if it made it to the finished piece), then just starving himself and getting emaciated and near-comatose in his 'down-time', like he's lacking in any driven purpose (similar to how he'll end up in DKR). The stick-thin Joker seemed to fit the horror here, as when I read about how important it is not to laugh during a seance because the dead can't it all just came together. Of course he should take part in the seance, and of course he should either be possessed or fake possession. At some point I'd like to try a more light-hearted Joker, in a Silver Age, Cesar Romero vein. Then something more 'Clown at Midnight'. No definite plans, just vague desire to try out different takes. Whistler and Kellerman are from Arkham Asylum, the video game. There are plenty of cues taken from Serious House, but I love me them Arkham games and couldn't resist working them in (speaking of which, have you finished the new game yet? There's some Joker moments in there that impressed me). I forget who Kellerman is but Gretchen Whistler is the older doctor who talks to you about Zsasz. No idea why she stuck in my mind. Fantomas, very well done with a nicely creepy, classic sort of Arkham story. Very well done putting the pieces into place, some wonderfully etched descriptions and characterizations, and I agree with Charlie about Joker needing a light touch these days, and you did that very well. I'm not sure the picture added anything really, but who cares? the story was very solid, beautifully evocative in a horrific way, and provided some excellent chills. Thank-you, I'm always glad to provide chills. The picture was more just me messing around, and you'll find my scrawling doodles and awkward colouring in quite a few of my issues. I like taking advantage of the multi-media quality of the forum medium, and slowly improving on my limited artisitic talents. Fantomas--- I saved this story for last, because I'm not much of a Batman fan, and I've not read your work before, so I had no expectations, but--- WOW! This could be my favorite story of the issue just because my enjoyment of it was so unexpected. I always get a little giddy when I find something new and cool, and now I have a new writer to follow on the DC2. Slick, evocative and respectful of what has come before, it scared me and made me sad and even made me sort of a Joker fan (as much as one could be a fan of a raving homicidal psychopath). You have Gordon's voice down pat, and while we've seen Arkham done before, I've never seen it done quite so disturbingly. Thanks for giving me a new writer to follow! Ah, thanks. You're way too kind, and I appreciate it. Glad to have a new reader (if Batman isn't your deal, I did the issue of Man of Steel in Earth A, and some Knight & Squire too, though both are long overdue new issues). It was fun trying out the first person, and it was useful in getting across the vibe of Gotham in the early days of the Bat-Man. As I keep saying here and there, at some point I want to do a DC2 Year One story for Batman, with a mixture of lots of incarnations of the young Batman's campaign. Bringing in the Golden Age comics and newspaper strips, the Frank Miller stuff, the Animated Series...bits of Snyder's Zero Year, Burton's Batman of 1989, Beware the Batman, Arkham Origins...try and find elements of it all to make something that captures those 'weird figure of the night' days. This little story would no doubt tie into it, with a younger Gordon wearily fighting the system and the city being riddled with corruption. New 'freak' villains emerging. One day, one day.
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Post by lissilambe on Nov 3, 2013 13:09:27 GMT -5
Thanks a lot for reading and enjoying, guys. I do want to say that a lot of this story came together as I researched ventriloquism, wanting to make sure it fit the 1890s period. That's when I learned that at the start of entertaining voice-throwing (which was at the time just beginning so it fit in just perfect), it was less the two-man comedy act we know now, and more about the ventriloquist operating an array of dummies all at once, and showing off the way he can move from voice and character (kind of like the way Jeff Dunham likes to close his act out these days). That fascinated me and eventually led to the seven sins set up.
I love Dr. Thirteen, and I love Girl 13, and your take on Traci rocked, Dave. I'm glad Sam liked it too, because I think that means we might have to get a DC2 Comics Presents: Traci 13 and Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld team-up! What do you two say?
Take care Don
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Post by mockingbird on Nov 3, 2013 14:07:30 GMT -5
Lol, those two would certainly be something. Snarky and Bubbly are a classic duo.
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Post by lissilambe on Nov 3, 2013 14:09:59 GMT -5
We could call it "Two Broke Magicians"
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Post by Fantômas on Nov 5, 2013 13:31:50 GMT -5
Snake Head Eats Snake Tail
Bearing in mind the glimpses of your future writing plans you've given me, it's cool seeing the trail of snakes starting here, and makes me look forward all the more to what's yet to come.
Likeable characters and with very believeable conversation and interactions to set the mood, always good for a horror story, as it lets those creeping undertones seem even more sinister. Hal's condition and pain, Brody's reaction to touching the baby bump, it all set off the alarm bells.
The dark dream was very enjoyable, nicely surreal and bizarre, and reinforced those creeping undertones perfectly.
Body switching and incest. Of all these stories this is the one that is most obviously leading somewhere, which is cool and as I say I can't wait to see what comes next.
Good work.
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Post by Fantômas on Nov 5, 2013 13:38:43 GMT -5
Thanks, Fantomas! I thought it might come across as a bit cliched, but that's built into the character, so I just went with it. I love that whole aesthetic. I have a small collection of old-timey magician posters from the 19th and early 20th century (and love the novel Carter Beats the Devil). The poster collection sounds very cool indeed. With this and with your Arkham seance piece the turn of the century vibe is something that I'm really loving from you, do keep writing it and I'll keep reading it. That's what I wanted to hear. I think we've got our feature for next year's Halloween special.
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