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Post by HoM on Jul 8, 2015 1:47:53 GMT -5
Please let us know what you think of this special event issue!
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Post by David on Jul 8, 2015 13:55:29 GMT -5
Well, Ten Years Later is coming quick, and this issue is more than just a sneak peek, it's an outright opening salvo!
That cover by Brandon Herren...! What a beautiful representation of classic characters, all of them with their own unique DC2 spin. No one will dispute that Brandon can draw, but the gradations of color and shading in this pic make it stand out as an instant Killerseamonkey masterpiece. Not all of those characters appear in this issue, but all of them have a role in 10YL, and it's fun to get a glimpse of them finally. I'm particularly fond of bearded Kal-El's purified Kryptonian uniform, and of Steve Howard's Superwoman design.
I'm proud that my story kicks off this issue (of course, that's simply because it happens to be the earliest chronologically, occurring just two years after the last Earth-One story that will post), and it's a big thrill to be posted on the DC2 again, after so many years since my last issue. When Charlie floated the idea for a 10YL sneak peek, I told him I wasn't sure what I'd contribute. But knowing what my plans were for my upcoming 10YL Superman story, Charlie (being the brilliant SOB that he is) suggested that I "do the funeral." I had no plans to include such a scene in my Superman mini, but I immediately saw the wisdom of it, and agreed to write it. So I did. My first draft is subtly different than the one posted here. When I showed it to Charlie, he offered some well-meant criticism on the tone and circumstances, which, admittedly, I still don't agree with. Nevertheless, I trust him, and Charlie is more often right than wrong (especially in these matters), so he did a work-over of my original draft, which I then worked over myself, thus this final draft. Big thanks to Charlie for suggesting it and making it possible--- the good parts are all his, the missteps are mine. Hope you like it.
That Authority story was just bursting with great ideas and concepts! These are totally unfamiliar characters to me (well, mostly), but this was a terrific primer on folks like Midnighter (jeez, that guy is Charlie-circa-2005 brutal!), Apollo and Hawksmoor. My only quibble is this feels like a bit out of place in an event designed to say goodbye, but (as I said above) I trust Charlie and his instincts on these things.
Speaking of bursting with great ideas... how about Scott Kruger's Legion of Super-Heroes teaser...! As I'm editing this mini I'm somewhat prejudiced, but I can say unreservedly this is the kind of story that gets me excited about fan fiction. Scott is in his element here, picking up right where he left off from his epic LSH run, and plunging headlong into a long-awaited conclusion to the great saga of the 31st century. This story feels like home in ways only writing JSA or Hawkman does for me. I know the rest of you will enjoy it, too. And who knows? It may even have implications for Omega Crisis...
Back later to read and review more of this super-sized issue!
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Post by HoM on Jul 8, 2015 15:58:30 GMT -5
I intended to post the stories in "chronological" order, but realised that would mean a glut of stories written by myself, then the stories by David, Scott and Susan coming last. I didn't think that was fair-- and didn't want to be accused of anything!-- so mixed that up somewhat, by inserting Scott's story earlier on in the proceedings. As it takes place "outside of time", I think it still fits with my earlier intent! Brandon delivered an amazing cover, and it's great to see so many "Ten Years Later" character designs represented, including Steve Howard's Superwoman and Jamie Rimmer's Flamebird. Getting a glimpse into the characters we've seen mentioned in this primer, such as Carrie Kelly as Robin, a rather worse-for-wear Aquaman and the engimatic, white-clad Superman is a joy, and even seeing characters who weren't involved in the primer represented, like Plastic Man, is great, and a real big hint at what else we can expect as our anniversary event unfolds. Time Trapper is creeping about in the background, again, what we're going to see of that character is going to be fantastic, and you even featured Renee-Montoya-as-The-Question, which is another story I'm excited to see unfold on the DC2! Thanks, Herren! WORLD OF TOMORROW (by David Charlton) - A concept that occurred to me after thinking what would happen to Clark Kent if Superman left the planet, and borne somewhat from my love of the nineties run of the Superman family of books-- that very family-centric, large cast each with their own unique view points and subplots. This is a story I could see taking place back then, and I'm really pleased David agreed to write it. I think that he and I view the characters very differently, so it made our "collaboration" quite interesting, and I could see little tics of mine clashing with tics of his, but I think the story ended up being a beautiful little ditty, and really sets up our "Ten Years Later" world as being one that will be starkly different. There are a lot of moving parts to the story-- where's Arthur? Superwoman is the new defender of Metropolis? Superman is where? -- and I think it was handled really well, if I do say so myself. David handled the majority of the writing chores, so I'm comfortable commenting as I have WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE LEGION OF SUPERHEROES? (PROLOGUE) (by Scott Kruger) - I love stories where what we know to be true is twisted and contorted into being something different-- something scary-- and you really feel for Cos as his experiences unfold. I've not been able to get into the LoSH as much as I wanted to (apart from a brief dalliance with LEGION by DnA in the early 2000s) so I was a bit intimidated going in, but I was glad that the story caught me up effortlessly. A good piece of work by Scott, and I'm looking forward to seeing where the story takes us... especially considering Time Trapper's role in other stories coming up during our anniversary celebration. FINAL FLIGHT PREVIEW (by David Charlton) - Another story where something accepted as reality gets twisted, this time by a dream, and a very tight glimpse into the events of Hawkman's world in the coming years. I always get depressed thinking about the two eternal loves, Carter and Shiera, being apart, and this twisted the knife, so well done, David. Lovely seeing Kendra happily coupled with Katar, and with a kid too! Great homage to her family with the boy's name, a great wink toward our big ol' shared continuity and also Kendra's personal history. An ominous ending with lots of promise, and some very subtle world building too. Good work! CAMPIRE STORY (by Susan Hillwig) - A story I've been excited to "see print" ever since I read the first draft, and something of a special event in unto itself, so thank you, Susan! Your Jonah Hex wor has been an intergral part of the DC2 since inception, and I'm so glad to see you take part in a large event like you are. The "future" Jonah has been fated to travel to is a horrendous sounding one, not only for him, but for those stuck there with him, and the reasons he's on Qward, and what's happening there, will surely be an amazing addition to DC2's lore. We've obviously discussed this at length, but the fact that you're telling your own version of Jonah's "future time", rather than the Road Warrior dystopia version we experienced post-CoIE, is so cool. You're an amazing writer and I'm ecstatic about what's coming next. I'll elaborate on some of the choices made in the stories I've submitted to the primer in a bit, and I'd love to hear your views on your own work if you get the time, guys (as well as any thoughts you might have on my stuff, as ever, ha). WE ARE BACK.
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Post by David on Jul 8, 2015 19:16:17 GMT -5
I intended to post the stories in "chronological" order, but realised that would mean a glut of stories written by myself, then the stories by David, Scott and Susan coming last. I didn't think that was fair-- and didn't want to be accused of anything!-- so mixed that up somewhat, by inserting Scott's story earlier on in the proceedings. As it takes place "outside of time", I think it still fits with my earlier intent! You did an awesome job wrangling this beast of an issue, Charlie, and deserve a big thanks for doing the lion's share of work. Well done, sir! You modestly understate the impact you had on this story, and how it sets the tone of 10YL! I've enjoyed our collaborations in the past, and this one was no exception. Kind of bittersweet that this era is coming to an end. At its heart the DC2 has always been about fans having fun writing about their favorite DC characters, and this is never more obvious than with Scott and the LSH. And the fun is contagious! This was a tough story to preview without including too many spoilers. This one is probably going to be the most personally satisfying one for me, as I'm realizing I've been waiting to tell it since I started writing Hawkman fan fiction, pre-DC2. It will wrap up the story I started 10+ years ago, pulling together threads I never even knew were there. I share Charlie's unreserved admiration of Susan's DC2 work. There's just something so cool about the way Jonah integrates with DC2 history and continuity, and this story slots-into a huge and important chunk. Jonah's presence looms large, so much so that the last words of the story gave me goosebumps. This will be one to read, for sure! In a lot of ways, feels like we never left.
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Jul 9, 2015 19:54:36 GMT -5
There's definitely some cool stuff in this primer, first and foremost being Kon-El's new identity. Thank you for undoing the incest, that always felt very wrong to me! I'm hoping there's lots more Flamebird scenes in the 10YL offerings to come. I'm also looking forward to more Superwoman, as well as the resolution of that long-dangling LSH plot thread (how many years does that go back? Not the full ten, is it?).
Regarding Jonah Hex and his place in DC2: I'm still grateful to David for not booting me out on my ear when I said I was really only interested in writing Westerns. I've done my level best to keep DC's version of the 19th Century interesting (and so has Don Walsh, who fleshed out Johnny Thunder much better than I ever could have), even though I haven't always been the most punctual (maybe before this 10YL thing finishes up, I can finally post Weird Western Quarterly #25).
I'm also grateful that you guys helped me figure out a way to integrate Jonah into this Omega Crisis event that didn't seemed forced. As Charlie said, this is an alternate take on Jonah's time in the future: I tore down the story Michael Fleisher wrote 30 years ago and rebuilt it from the ground up, keeping a few elements that I felt could still work with the newer, DC2-centric framework. The result is something that, to me, doesn't stray too far from what I consider to be a typical Jonah Hex story. In fact, the preview tale was written as a homage to the early issues written by John Albano, wherein the bad guys weren't certain if Hex was a human being or something supernatural (replace aliens with outlaws and there ya go). This time around, however, some of the things the bad guys say about Hex might be true...
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Post by HoM on Jul 11, 2015 2:21:31 GMT -5
There's definitely some cool stuff in this primer, first and foremost being Kon-El's new identity. Thank you for undoing the incest, that always felt very wrong to me! I'm hoping there's lots more Flamebird scenes in the 10YL offerings to come. I'm also looking forward to more Superwoman... Thanks for saying that, Susan. Don and I are both fervently against the whole incest angle with Kon, and doing away with that was high on my list of priorities when coming back to these characters. That's not to say all the stuff with Doctor Xadu is irrelevant. Having a Kryptonian super-scientist-- General Zod meets Josef Mengele-- flitting about the universe is something I think adds a whole new dimension of horror to the DC2niverse. Even if we don't see him Ten Years Later, Xadu will continue to be a boogeyman that threatens the sanctity of the galaxy in the present day-- I know Don had plans for him in one of his stories! Flamebird will appear in the Young Justice special Jamie and I are collaborating on, and maybe we'll see him in Omega Crisis too... Superwoman on the other hand... ooooh boy. I'll say more later. Ha!
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Post by David on Jul 12, 2015 11:03:28 GMT -5
Just read Charlie's Nightwing and Superboy story. Very interesting rumination on these characters--- with a nice bit of action thrown in for good measure, too (that Firefly bit almost got out of control for Our Heroes). I may have missed somethings while I was away from the DC2, but who is Julia Pennyworth? Was she introduced already, or is this her first appearance? Nightwing's romantic realizations during his near-death experience were fun! I'm sure that will bear fruit in upcoming 10YL stories... Nice retcon of Superboy's secret origin. I'm not sure if multiple related genetic donors actually qualifies as incest (no sexual reproduction, after all), but I understand the point (and the commensurate squeamishness it carries). So, does that mean "Kon-El" is some sort of Kryptonian mystical entity? And as this is taking place Five Years Later, I guess that would make Kon a young man, so the Superboy moniker is definitely ready to be jettisoned! And--- Oh, my god!--- I think I may have caught Charlie in a continuity error! You have Dick mention how he heard about the term Nightwing from Superman, which is, indeed, canon in the DCU, but for the DC2 it was established in Teen Titans #2 that a "nightwing" is a mythical figure in the teachings of Temple Azarath: I will now graciously accept my No-Prize. Great story, Charlie. Looking forward to seeing how these developments play out.
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Post by HoM on Jul 12, 2015 12:07:55 GMT -5
I may have missed somethings while I was away from the DC2, but who is Julia Pennyworth? Was she introduced already, or is this her first appearance? Julia Pennyworth is Alfred's daughter, someone who debuted in the nu52 in Batman: Eternal and continues to appear in Snyder's Batman run. DC2-wise, chronologically, Julia will have been around in the Cave a while at this point, but this is her first appearance on the site. I've mapped out the timelines for the majority of the characters I'm using so that everything fits together nicely as the event progresses. So I know the point when Supergirl becomes Superwoman, when Flamebird manifests above Metropolis, etc. She plays a larger role in the two Bat-centric 10 Years Later stories that are hitting later this year. Nice retcon of Superboy's secret origin. I'm not sure if multiple related genetic donors actually qualifies as incest (no sexual reproduction, after all), but I understand the point (and the commensurate squeamishness it carries). So, does that mean "Kon-El" is some sort of Kryptonian mystical entity? And as this is taking place Five Years Later, I guess that would make Kon a young man, so the Superboy moniker is definitely ready to be jettisoned! Unfortunately, and like you say, I think that a lot of people had a bad taste in their mouth over the development that Kon was borne from half Kal / half Kara DNA. The fact that he was referred to as Superman's 'son' in issues of Action Comics made that worse! Now, it would have been easy to retcon it out to something we've seen before in the DCU, half Lex Luthor / half Superman, for example, but I didn't want to follow their lead this time. At the end of the day now, it doesn't matter where the DNA came from, because that was just a body to gestate in... the true Kon-El, the true Flamebird, has 'hatched', and where that takes us will be followed up in time. It also means we'll be looking for a Kryptonian Nightwing... And--- Oh, my god!--- I think I may have caught Charlie in a continuity error! You have Dick mention how he heard about the term Nightwing from Superman, which is, indeed, canon in the DCU, but for the DC2 it was established in Teen Titans #2 that a "nightwing" is a mythical figure in the teachings of Temple Azarath: I will now graciously accept my No-Prize. I'm not too worried about this error! Why can't the inspiration be both? I can see why the development was written in Teen Titans (grounds his character evolution into the Titan-books rather than the Bat-books) but it was always a cool little thing that connected Dick to both of the World's Finest. Similarly, it's always interesting to see how mythology and religion can reverberate through time and space. I was reading Joseph Campbell and his comments on Jesus Christ's similarities to other figures across religions older than Christianity is fascinating. I can see this working out. Who knew... there was some connection... between Azarath... and ancient Krypton..? Gets the brain cogs spinning, if I do say so myself. Great story, Charlie. Looking forward to seeing how these developments play out. Thanks, David. Looking forward to what you think of the rest!
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Post by Fantômas on Jul 13, 2015 1:10:38 GMT -5
I really need to read this. Skimming through things look very promising. I can't believe how much Charlie has written. And how many older names from the site have come back to do art and stories, very cool to see. And it's always a pleasure to see Jamie on costumes. Charlie, give me a point in time and a rough frame of reference and I'd love to do a Batman Incorporated special for this. It introduces some rookie heroes, it'd be perfect for showing what they could become with 10 years under their belts. Julia Pennyworth is Alfred's daughter, someone who debuted in the nu52 in Batman: Eternal and continues to appear in Snyder's Batman run. She's a little older, actually. Not sure how much older, but I've been going through some of Gerry Conway's Batman stories and there's a B-story in a few of them about Alfred having taken temporary absence from the Wayne household to go globe-trotting with his daughter to solve...I'm not sure, the murder of her step-father? I missed the start of that story thread. No idea what her deal was then, but she was definitely a Julia.
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Post by lissilambe on Jul 13, 2015 10:17:08 GMT -5
That was Julia Remarque, who indeed was Alfred's daughter and a major figure for a period in early Eighties Batman and Detective Comics. She was around about the same time they were introducing Nocturna and Night-Thief, and the Film Freak, along with Jason Todd (original red-head Dick Grayson-clone version).
Take care Don
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Post by HoM on Jul 14, 2015 13:22:26 GMT -5
I feel like everybody is trying to trip me up with continuity, haha!
Yeah, I was aware of Julia being pre-nu52, but I thought Batman: Eternal and Snyder's own Batman run were a solid frame of reference for those unaware of who she is-- and that version of the character is how I'm approaching her, and is a valid point so you know how I'm going to be taking with Ms Pennyworth moving forward.
Glad that this sampler is getting people talking though!
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Post by HoM on Jul 17, 2015 15:27:37 GMT -5
That Authority story was just bursting with great ideas and concepts! These are totally unfamiliar characters to me (well, mostly), but this was a terrific primer on folks like Midnighter (jeez, that guy is Charlie-circa-2005 brutal!), Apollo and Hawksmoor. My only quibble is this feels like a bit out of place in an event designed to say goodbye, but (as I said above) I trust Charlie and his instincts on these things. My plan is to post little pieces expanding on the thought processes behind each of the stories, but I thought I'd address your 'quibble' first, David! While you and the other founders are telling your final stories on the site, I'm not going anywhere any time soon. Justice League is written up till Spring 2016 with more stories planned for as long as I can keep going and Green Lantern Corps is plotted pretty thoroughly up till around #75, plus I'm working on my final two issues of the year as we speak. I have a miniseries concerning The Flash that I've written the first issue for, which involves some major status quo changing stuff that's actually "piloted" in Justice League #9 (out next month!), and I'm always coming up with ideas and stuff that will find their way into my work here. So, while many are approaching the ten year jump as a "black hole" that could have involved anything to make their stories work for Ten Years Later, I'm using it to add stakes to a series I'm planning behind the scenes that plays really well into what we're doing here. When we get enough issues written, I'll be launching The Authority, and the idea of a decade plus lost in the multiverse is a major part of what we're going for in that title. I say 'we' because I'm looking for contributors. I have two already, the first issue is written and fun stuff planned for the concept. You're saying goodbye with this event, but I'm saying something else entirely! Anyway, thanks again for taking the time! Looking forward to hearing what you have to say about the other stories-- I wrote one because of you!
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Post by HoM on Jul 17, 2015 15:49:10 GMT -5
On WORLD OF TOMORROW...
When I got into Superman it was through the nineties run, starting with “Funeral for a Friend”, and then eventually I picked up “Return of Superman” and then “Death of Superman”.
Basically, I read the biggest Superman story ever in the worst possible order. But seeing all these character be impacted by the death of an icon really struck me, and I’ve done versions of that story in my own work since. Mainly, this was in Action Comics when I wrote Superman out of his own book, had a motley collection of heroes step up in Metropolis (thus beginning my literary love affair with the Guardian), then couldn’t think how to bring Superman back. The answer? Deus ex machina’d all over that bad boy in such a way as to deliver a hot, hot mess of a storyline.
But I digress.
The Superman run in the nineties, with Dan Jurgens, Louise Simonson, Jerry Ordway, Ron Frenz and co. all delivering really tightly interconnected stories that I kept finding in the cheap comic bins in every charity shop or second hand book store I went into. I devoured these stories. My parents’ house is filled with containers brimming with these books.
But the first Superman story that was mine ended up being “Funeral for a Friend”. So my thinking, when I pitched this story to David (half hoping he’d suggest I write it!) was to do a spin on that story for OUR Superman—more specifically, Clark—especially if he was going away for a while. Nowadays, I felt like readers couldn’t suspend the disbelief that no one would question where Clark Kent went. Nobody. So he had to die. But how did he die? How did they take him off the board without connecting him to Superman?
David bypassed the need for the ‘why’, throwing an uprising in Zandia out there but focusing on the characters’ reactions to the death instead, and that’s exactly EXACTLY what the story needed. I love character pieces, I love seeing people react to stuff, so the bulk of this story, with characters interacting quietly, was a great thing as a co-writer to see, and hopefully enhance. Thanks again for the opportunity, David.
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Post by HoM on Jul 17, 2015 16:20:59 GMT -5
On THE AUTHORITY in… BLACK AND WHITE…
Over in the ongoing Justice League title I have been introducing loads of Wildstorm concepts to really shake things up. Right now, you’re just seeing the foundation being laid for some really out there stories, but with Justice League #8 (out last week) I introduced Majestic as well as Ten Years Later’s own Shrike for good measure.
I knew I was going to introduce Stormwatch as an organisation, and I knew that the endgame for this run of the book was to backdoor pilot a new title at some point, namely, The Authority. I knew I wanted to send a group of characters who I’d utilise in Justice League off into the multiverse for adventures, but I didn’t know how I was going to do it, then the ten year jump was proposed and the wheels started turning in my head.
This story, like David has said, is a bit of an outlier compared to the others, but is important because stories aren’t going to stop coming after Ten Years Later. They’re not going to stop coming after Omega Crisis. So this story is representative of this not being the final chapter of the DC2 as a website, or for stories being told on Earth-1. One door closes, another one opens. Who knows what’s happening during that ten year gap? Who knows what’s happening before the gap even takes place?
The Guardian is a character I love, and I’m excited to be using him in Justice League and I’m psyched to build him up to The Authority. It might be that we see him in both books concurrently, but there will eventually be a moment in Justice League when he departs one book and then everything syncs up so the books are in line with each other.
Not know when the first issue of The Authority is going to hit, I wanted to get a 'mission statement' story out there. This is just one example of the stories you can expect from this series. Crazy shit hitting the fan every single issue, facing versions of characters on versions of worlds that we're used to, and being awesome.
It's going to be good.
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Post by HoM on Jul 18, 2015 13:44:05 GMT -5
On NIGHTWING AND SUPERBOY in… BURN THE FUTURE DOWN...
Right, so Nightwing is a lot of fans favourite character, and he's always had an important role in the DC2, just as he has in the DCU-proper. Here's a spoiler-- and you might have guessed it already-- Dick Grayson is going to play an important role in the upcoming Omega Crisis, and I felt it was important to have him represented in this sampler. But I also wanted to tell a story about Superboy that moved him away from the 'icky' origins he had on the DC2, and couldn't think of separate stories for the two of them-- so I put them in a story together.
Another major character in this story, who's important in his absence, is Tim Wayne. In our continuity, Tim was adopted by Bruce when Jack Drake died, and he was raised ever since by the best crimefighter the world has ever seen (any arguments?). There comes a point for Tim-- and we might see it in the Omega Crisis: Brave and the Bold anthology-- when he decides that he wants to be the best crime fighter he possibly can be, beyond what Bruce can teach him. Bruce can't deter him, so Tim leaves Gotham City and travels to all the places Bruce Wayne did when he himself hit eighteen-- and beyond. Because of that, he then become the best damn hero he can be. After years of travel and training, Tim Wayne is going to evolve into Crime Fighter Plus, and when he returns to the world he takes the reins of Wayne Enterprises R&D division with an eye for eventually becoming CEO (something we see in the later Those Of A Gotham Persuasion story).
When Tim Wayne goes away, who does Kon-El turn to? His best friend is gone, and this is the guy he stayed with when Superman died-- something we saw hinted at in World of Tomorrow. If Batman is off-world as well, then who else? Well, Dick Grayson makes sense. And making the villain fire-related, especially with the developments I had in mind for Kon's character, made perfect sense.
But here's the geeky thing-- and it's a bit cheeky too-- but the story is a homage to an earlier DC2 issue, namely Detective Comics #37, a story that involved Dick Grayson fully accepting the role of Batman after the apparent death of Bruce Wayne and Tim Drake becoming his Robin. I love the continuity of the DC2 so any call-backs I can wrangle into stories I will happily write. This is the story of an unconventional crimefighting duo that face off against a villain who's often given short shrift, and the duo coming out victorious. It also features throwbacks to Detective Comics #33-36, namely featuring the same location that Dick battled the Suicide Squad (an arc I'm particularly proud of).
So, where does the story leave us? Kon-El has evolved, assuming the mantle of Flamebird. What does that mean? Where's his Nightwing? There are so many questions that could quite easily fill an ongoing series, and who knows if we'll see that. I know I'm interested in such a thing. Reaffirming a certain love affair for Dick Grayson was also of the utmost importance, as this is again something that features heavily in the upcoming Omega Crisis and other Ten Years Later stories. Basically, I think I ticked all the boxes I had going into this story. We get a glimpse into the lives of those in Gotham at a point in time, we see a changing of the guard when it comes to the support crew Batman has, and Kon-El begins a brand new journey as he assumes a brand new name and mantle.
What's next?
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Post by David on Jul 19, 2015 13:52:21 GMT -5
SUPERWOMAN: ONE WEEK
This one opened not only with a bang, but with a neat new villain in the Quiet King. Great concept, Charlie. I love how you have made it part of your mission that just because this is an "end-event" (and yes, I know we have unresolved different perspectives on that), doesn't mean you can't dazzle us with new and interesting characters and concepts. Bravo! Hmmm... it's five years later, and Lois is offworld searching for Superman... with Lex Luthor? I wonder what that's all about? (Thanks for the shout-out to my forthcoming Superman 10YL mini, pal! ). I think I actually shivered at that moment. Damn creepy. Great writing! Lena Luthor: loved her physical description! Got a very Natalie Dormer-vibe (and that's not a bad thing), what with the half-shaved head and all (though as a Luthor, that is a cool little homage, too). Her relationship with Kara is very interesting... Who said a Luthor and an El can't play nice together! I really like the cameo with Karen Starr A.K.A. Power Woman. It establishes a cool rapport between the two, and a pretty neat grounding in established DC2 continuity. Their connection with Superman made for a very telling conversation, too. It says a lot about Superman that he inspires that kind of faith. The scene with Kon-El is a nice follow-up from the previous story and cements the whole "Superman Family" concept (which I can stomach much better than the "Batman Family" nonsense). Kon's situation becomes more interesting, and this solidifies Kara's position as the reigning "materfamilias" (if you will). Speaking of Superman Family... the long-lost Kru-El returns! And I see he's shrugged off the indoctrination of Zod's cult of personality and being abandoned by Jor-El as a child. You've expanded his backstory and turned him into a much more interesting character, and he's actually made something of himself in Midway City... I'm sorta proud of him. And that last line...! Pretty much says it all about Kara's yearning for family. Very poignant. Great ending. Only it wasn't the ending! Steve Howard's pin-up of Superwoman is freaking magnificent! I declare it to be One of the Greatest Pieces of Art to Grace the DC2! Well done, Steve! Awesome introduction to Superwoman, Charlie. Can't wait to see where she goes 10YL!
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Post by HoM on Jul 21, 2015 13:05:08 GMT -5
SUPERWOMAN: ONE WEEK
This one opened not only with a bang, but with a neat new villain in the Quiet King. Great concept, Charlie. I love how you have made it part of your mission that just because this is an "end-event" (and yes, I know we have unresolved different perspectives on that), doesn't mean you can't dazzle us with new and interesting characters and concepts. Bravo! I don't think we're ever going to resolve our different views on this event, but I think we're going to deliver some barnstorming stories, and the end result will be the same: A worthy celebration of ten years. You can't help having the wrong perspective on this event With regards to the Quiet King, I wanted to start building up a Rogues Gallery beyond Superman's own. I also wanted to do something related to Miracle Monday, what with Kara being Superwoman. So her saving a world from a villain who placed EVERY SINGLE PERSON into the Phantom Zone was a start. We'll be seeing a whole host of villains introduced in Superwoman: Of Tomorrow #2. I also have an immense soft spot for Metallo since I used him in Secret Society of Super Villains and we'll be seeing him kicking about in the present day, probably in Justice League, some time next year. Hmmm... it's five years later, and Lois is offworld searching for Superman... with Lex Luthor? I wonder what that's all about? (Thanks for the shout-out to my forthcoming Superman 10YL mini, pal! ). You know I'm a massive fan of the interconnectivity between titles, and taking full advantage of the continuity we have available to us, so this was a no-brainer. I've never been able to write Lois to a level I'm happy with, and this was not the time to try, so here being 'off the board' and over in your book is absolutely fine with me. Looking forward to seeing what's coming! Lena Luthor: loved her physical description! Got a very Natalie Dormer-vibe (and that's not a bad thing), what with the half-shaved head and all (though as a Luthor, that is a cool little homage, too). Her relationship with Kara is very interesting... Who said a Luthor and an El can't play nice together! Natalie Dormer! That's absolutely the reference I gave Steve, especially her look in the latest Hunger Games film. As soon as Lena's character fell into place for me the the story wrote itself-- even if Don was pushing for her to be called Nasthalthia. The pieces just came together with regards to our continuity and I wrote a scene for the upcoming miniseries that shows the moment when Superman debuted in Metropolis and Lex sees it, and the impact that has on Lena's childhood. I hope it's as effecting as I intend it to be. I really like the cameo with Karen Starr A.K.A. Power Woman. It establishes a cool rapport between the two, and a pretty neat grounding in established DC2 continuity. Their connection with Superman made for a very telling conversation, too. It says a lot about Superman that he inspires that kind of faith. Karen is a major player in the story I have in mind for Superwoman. It makes perfect sense and the relationship she shares with Kara is one I've always wanted to see explored, ever since Infinite Crisis kinda put Karen into focus. I see Karen being ten years older than Kara, having lived through similar circumstances but worse and being unable to even be in the universe where she was born. She's made something of herself, built a company, and she understands what it takes to thrive in Kara's position. I like writing them and could write buddy Super/Power Girl stories for a while. And Superman is all about hope, and the hope he instills in people. Superman doesn't lie is something that matters to me, but I'll modify it somewhat. Superman doen't lie to the people he cares about, and he cares about a lot of people-- in fact, he doesn't care for a small, a tiny amount of people. But Ma? Lois? Lana? Bruce, Kara, Kon, Diana, etc, etc, he wouldn't lie to them. The scene with Kon-El is a nice follow-up from the previous story and cements the whole "Superman Family" concept (which I can stomach much better than the "Batman Family" nonsense). Kon's situation becomes more interesting, and this solidifies Kara's position as the reigning "materfamilias" (if you will). You're going to really dislike my Gotham Knight: The Last Laugh one-shot. But you'll love Batman: The Final Knight. A Bat for every occasion! Kon deserves some support, and Kara is the one to deliver it. They've been through a lot individually, and both came into being / to Earth around the same time. Relationships are important to Kara, and again, that's something we'll see moving forward. Speaking of Superman Family... the long-lost Kru-El returns! And I see he's shrugged off the indoctrination of Zod's cult of personality and being abandoned by Jor-El as a child. You've expanded his backstory and turned him into a much more interesting character, and he's actually made something of himself in Midway City... I'm sorta proud of him. And that last line...! Pretty much says it all about Kara's yearning for family. Very poignant. Great ending. I know you tease me a bit about my use of Kru, but my use of him goes back to what I believe was my misuse of him back in my Action Comics run and my efforts to rehabilitate the guy. I started doing some stuff in my second Action Comics run that was truncated really quickly, and I'm actually picking up threads from then. I'm pleased with how he's shaping up and where his story is going. That final line came to me before the end of the scene, and I had to work toward it. Pleased with how it ended up. Only it wasn't the ending! Steve Howard's pin-up of Superwoman is freaking magnificent! I declare it to be One of the Greatest Pieces of Art to Grace the DC2! Well done, Steve! Oh, yes. Steve is a great collaborator. Looking forward to what we deliver throughout Ten Years Later.
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Post by HoM on Jul 21, 2015 16:29:42 GMT -5
This is a long one and it might come across as rambling, but Superwoman is one of the main reasons I’m looking forward to Ten Years Later and all it entails. So let’s get to it!
I’m approaching Superwoman quite simply. Well, simply for me. Internally, my timeline for Superman suggests he’s been around for nine years in Earth-1 continuity. This is through established continuity and ties into the idea that Batman has been around for ten years (having debuted a year earlier than Superman) and allows for a sliding timeline. By my reckoning, Supergirl has been active on Earth-1 for two years. So, ten years later, Superwoman will have been a hero in the eyes of earth for twelve-ish years, while Superman will have shot off to outer space a decade prior, leaving everyone behind. Who do you look up to after something like that?
The first question: What happens when our favourite hero leaves us? Sure, Superman is a bastion of hope and justice, he’s iconic, but in this day and age… what does that matter? We tear down our heroes as quickly as we elevate them, in fact, we do both in equal measure, punishing those we believe ‘owe us’ for their celebrity and reducing them to tabloid fodder. You can make Superman as iconic as all hell, but once he’s gone, we as the public at large (in-universe) are going to move on. And we’re going to move onto the coolest, smartest, strongest hero in sight, and in this instance, and through her numerous acts of heroism—inspired by Superman but also fuelled by her innate goodness—that’s going to be Kara Zor-El, aka the eventual Superwoman.
The second question: How do you build the best hero the world has ever seen?
Kara Zor-El has been through quite a lot in-universe, and we’ll be revisiting her ‘greatest hits’ through Superwoman: For Tomorrow (blatantly a play on ‘Woman of Tomorrow’, which could be Kara, Karen or even Lena, among others we’re hopefully going to be utilising). She and her family escaped the death of Krypton, and she was then rocketed away from Argo City with an expectation to join her baby cousin on Earth. We know the story. But we went somewhere else in the DC2. Instead of Earth, she crashed onto a jungle planet, and she had to adapt to those circumstances. Eventually, Superman found her, took her to Earth, and she had to adapt again. Kara is a survivor. More so than her cousin, she keeps having to pivot as the universe throws crap her way, changing her expectation and keeping her on the back foot. So she moves forward, doing the best she can, and that’s one of her defining characteristics.
If Superman embodies hope, then Superwoman embodies relentlessness in the face of impossible odds. Basically the same thing, just worded differently, but Kara lives hope every single day. She hopes that tomorrow is better than the day before, and will do anything she can to make that so. So to make her the best hero, it’s all about action, isn’t it? Everything she does is super. She will fight super villains, social injustice, natural disasters, anything that threatens a positive way of life. And for the world to fall in love with her, that means she has to fight impossible odds and win. And I'm not saying 'action' as in punching and kicking. I'm saying her actions. Doing the right thing, relentlessly. See what I did there?
ONE WEEK is taking my ‘thesis’ on Superwoman and applying it to a five day structure. It gets heavy handed at times, e.g. Superwoman saying “I wish they wouldn’t bother, it’s not that I’m not grateful for the attention, but it’s not what I do this for,” in the face of news that she’s going to be honoured for her worked the day before, but I wanted to be clear with my intentions for the character.
Monday, Superwoman fights a monster that has kidnapped the world. She wins the day with brains, not just brawn, but the brawn she demonstrates is immense and the brain spectacular. She tells the Quiet King that she will never give up, and neither would anyone else in her position, and she wins. Like I said in my previous post, this is her Miracle Monday.
Tuesday shows the world reacting, and Kara not resting on her laurels. She needed help, got help, and thanks the unlikely source. And she doesn’t give up on Metallo. I think that’s important. He’s a self-professed villain, a bad guy, but he helped her. That’s enough. She believes in the innate goodness in everyone, and Corben showed her a spark. What does that mean? Well, it’s enough for her, and she already believes everyone is capable of good. Now she knows for sure he does. This is exemplified by her relationship with Lena Luthor. Who in their right mind would trust a Luthor? Well, for one, Kara’s not lived through Lex’s continuous reign of terror against the El family. But Lena isn’t her father, so why should she weigh her expectations of Lena with the sins of the father. We’ll explore their relationship more come For Tomorrow, and it’s one of the central relationships in that book.
Wednesday, we see the first glimpse of Kara’s alter-ego, Carol. This is a nod to classic Supergirl stories, when she was Linda Lee Danvers; trying to find a modern name that is close enough to Kara as to not be ridiculous; and then landing upon Carol, which ties into Marvel’s Captain Marvel¸ which I have no problem with at all. It also highlights Kara’s relationship with her alternate dimension self, Power Girl (who we don’t call Power Woman!) which is another relationship we’ll see followed through with in For Tomorrow. Starr Industries are also an entity I want to look into more, and if I decide to launch an ongoing Superwoman book out of this, you know they’d appear there a lot too!
Thursday we revisit the events of the earlier Nightwing and Superboy story, and Kara’s response to Kon’s metamorphosis. She’s not one to get mad because of the change, but she doesn’t like being kept out of the loop when it comes to the health of one of her closest ‘family’ members. Of course she’s going to find it cool. Chronologically, she’s going to be in her mid-twenties, while Kon would be eighteen / nineteen, so they’ve got more of a sibling relationship than son / mother (ugh) which could have been followed through on if we were feeling icky.
Finally, on Friday, I get my plans for Kru-El out there or the world to see. Kru-El is a ridiculous name for a ridiculous character, and he was used sporadically throughout my time on the site. The second time, after his inclusion in The Apokolips Imperative as our version of Doomsday, involved him being royally shafted, depowered by Gold Kryptonite and sent to a parallel universe by Rip Hunter (I really did not know how to end that arc). I eventually returned him to Earth-1 without explanation (for the best) and laid the seeds for this transformation into our new Jonathan Kent, police officer of Midway City and general gruff bastard.
We see that Zod is even more of a monster than we originally knew, twisting people’s minds to make them follow him. That’s not to say he doesn’t have a certain cult of personality, but if he really wanted to mess with people, he knew how. He’d break families, grind them under foot, and then make them kneel. This isn’t Man of Steel’s Zod, who would do anything to preserve Krypton, our version is a sadistic psychopath with a narcissistic personality and an obsession with being in power. That’s something I think David will be touching upon with his Empire of Zod story he’s been teasing, but I don’t know if we’ll be seeing it play out during Ten Years Later. I hope we do! He certainly teased it in World of Tomorrow.
Kru’s slow rehabilitation will be witnessed throughout Of Tomorrow. Yes, this will be Superwoman’s book, but Super-books are always about the supporting cast, be it Lois, Jimmy and Perry, or in this case, Karen, Lena, Kru and Kon. I’m excited for this book, and can see the mini extending out into something more, if the response to it is positive (and even then, that’s never stopped me).
Sorry for going on, but we’ll be done soon!
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Post by David on Jul 25, 2015 8:37:40 GMT -5
YOUNG JUSTICE
I've never been a much of a fan of these characters (some of whom I hardly know; Secret? Arrowette?), nor interested in the DCU team/title, but this was a particularly well-written bit of prose, and a good story. The interview-format of introducing the various characters was effective and left me wanting to know more about "what happened."
And then the twist...! Not knowing anything about the characters, I obviously didn't see it coming, so that was exciting!
Who is Harm's patron? The devil? Neron? It didn't really matter, the idea still works, but I guess I'd like to know why he/she/it wanted Secret dead...
Very abrupt ending, but it left me wanting more from a group I never knew I wanted to read about.
Love the character bios at the end. Jamie Rimmer's inimitable style is on full display, creating striking and beautiful costume designs. Love that guy's art! Need to see MORE of it!
I really like the Flamebird-design, and the new conception of Kon-El. And I'm glad to see that Kon and Tim have re-connected. Kon seemed a bit adrift in the previous story without his partner.
Speaking of Tim, that Shrike design is very cool! I love the mask, and the idea that his costume has a chameleon-like ability to change color.
Interestingly, Charlie and I hit on the name "Shrike" for a character in our 10YL stories quite independently of each other. Mine is a Thanagarian cultic warrior, keeping the Hawkworld connection.
Another hit for the 10YL prelude!
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Post by HoM on Jul 28, 2015 12:05:59 GMT -5
David, thanks for the kind words-- I'll address them beyond my talky piece in a bit!
On WHATEVER HAPPENED TO YOUNG JUSTICE?...
Way back when, I didn’t collect anything other than the Buffy-verse comics Dark Horse were putting out (they were amazing, and I’m talking pre-Season 8) and anything that caught my eye in the discount bin. It was here I picked up my first issues of Young Justice, it had, I think, Darkseid and Secret on the cover, and it looked brilliant. I devoured the issue, found the surrounding parts of the story—then found out the book was being cancelled in favour of a relaunch of Teen Titans.
Since then, I picked up the two Young Justice trades (collecting the first issues of the title and the Sins of Youth crossover) and then the odd issues here and there. I fell in love with the characters and followed them into Teen Titans (by way of the Graduation Day mini) and beyond.
But there was something about this original group, as written by Peter David and illustrated by Todd Nauck, that I thoroughly enjoyed, and I really wanted a shot at writing them before I was done. To be fair, I also knew that with Ten Years Later coming, I had a hand in a lot of characters that fell into the Young Justice umbrella that I’d be remiss not to utilise!
So this is taking Young Justice and showing where they’d be in ten years’ time. No Teen Titans (we assume), no team break up that we’ve seen, just something different. I admit, there is a level of assumption that you know the original premise of the series, mainly the Secret story points, but apart from that I wanted a punchy introduction to the characters and the format fell into place.
Arrowette left the team after a particularly traumatic experience in the book, so it made sense for her to move away from the superhero set early on in the team's career.
The rest of the characters, where they're coming from and where they're at, I think I cover in the supplemental material I posted along with Jamie's brilliant designs. So that's that!
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Post by HoM on Jul 28, 2015 16:01:59 GMT -5
Well I obviously wrote quite a lengthy response to this but accidentally left the page. Let's try this again... I've never been a much of a fan of these characters (some of whom I hardly know; Secret? Arrowette?), nor interested in the DCU team/title, but this was a particularly well-written bit of prose, and a good story. The interview-format of introducing the various characters was effective and left me wanting to know more about "what happened." I had a blast with the format. It seemed a great way to control what the reader-- and the journalist-- was told, because Arrowette could be quite the unreliable narrator. What does she actually know? What does she want to obscure? It's a bit of a narrative trick, and one I loved to play. Not one I use often! And then the twist...! Not knowing anything about the characters, I obviously didn't see it coming, so that was exciting! Regarding this, and your lack of knowledge around who the characters are and where they came from, is wholly my fault. This was the first draft of a story I wasn't intending to share in the sampler, but after it was clear that very few people were contributing, I thought it best to wrap it up and add it to the issue as it highlights a corner of the universe we haven't really seen, and it shows the full effect of the ten year jump. These guys were kids last time we saw them, now they're adults. Batman is Batman no matter the when, but this is something very different, and very cool to play with. As this is a first draft, I didn't do a readthrough to 'bulk it up', add details that would clarify details and add contextual thickness that would allow new readers such as yourself easy access. I failed on that regard, but I'm glad your reaction has been so positive either way. Who is Harm's patron? The devil? Neron? It didn't really matter, the idea still works, but I guess I'd like to know why he/she/it wanted Secret dead... We might reveal the identity of the 'patron' in the special, but at this point it will more than likely be revealed during the special, especially considering Secret's design at the end of the story. Very abrupt ending, but it left me wanting more from a group I never knew I wanted to read about. Thank you, David. Very nice of you to say! Love the character bios at the end. Jamie Rimmer's inimitable style is on full display, creating striking and beautiful costume designs. Love that guy's art! Need to see MORE of it! I really like the Flamebird-design, and the new conception of Kon-El. And I'm glad to see that Kon and Tim have re-connected. Kon seemed a bit adrift in the previous story without his partner. Speaking of Tim, that Shrike design is very cool! I love the mask, and the idea that his costume has a chameleon-like ability to change color. Jamie is always fun to work with and he challenges you when you need to be. We've been working quite closely on Justice League over the last few months along with aspects of Ten Years Later and it adds another dimension to the creative process that makes it very rewarding. We've got massive plans that are going to come to fruition through 2016 and beyond in Justice League and we're collaborating quite closely as we progress. Very fun, and as you can see, very rewarding. Thanks again, David!
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Post by David on Aug 1, 2015 22:12:23 GMT -5
THOSE OF A GOTHAM PERSUASION:
Finally getting to the finale of Charlie's interlocking Ten Years Later stories, and it does not disappoint. From the first moment, we get a very concise and atmospheric introduction to the Gotham of 10YL, which is conspicuous by certain absences (the Gordons, Alfred... *sniff*). The comparisons drawn between Gotham and its shinier, happier sister-city of Metropolis help to clearly define both.
It's nice to see Charlie writing the Question again. He is so identified with the character that it would be a shame not to include him/her in this last hurrah. And this was a great intro to the new dynamic between the law and the vigilantes of Gotham.
Very nice touch to have Bruce celebrating that particular birthday. It's completely understandable that he should be having certain mortal ruminations now, which, of course, fits with the tone of these being "the last Gotham stories."
Silver St Cloud, huh? You faked me out with her purring in bed (there, maybe that will draw some more attention to the issue); I was sure it was going to be Selina with Bruce. If not her, than surely Vicki Vale or Talia... (Alas, poor Julie Madison was killed-off on the DC2's Day One). Hopefully Bruce can find some peace or happiness with her before the inevitable you-know-what starts to hit the fan.
The scene with Leslie Thompkins seemed to remind us that Bruce is never very far from that night on Park Row. It also struck me, that for such a loner ("My parents are de-e-e-ead!"), Bruce sure does have a lot of surrogate family (surrogate fathers, mothers, sons). Maybe that's why I always cringe when the Bat-Family dynamic is so much in evident, as it seems at odds with the core of what makes a character like Batman tick.
Speaking of Bat-Family... I actually enjoyed all of the proteges getting together to spend time with Bruce (and each other). There are a lot of seeds planted for other stories in there, too (All-Star Academy! Matthew Malone? Dick's wedding to... Starfire, I can only assume *crosses fingers*). All of them had very neat scenes together, though Jason Todd comes off best (I think that's the writer's preference bleeding through), and Tim is a bit of a cypher, though he has a very distinct personality (just low key).
Not sure if I like the direction you guys (I seem to recall Don had a say in this, too) are taking with Dick Grayson, what with the multiple superhero identities. I think I understand what you're doing, I think it's unique, I just don't know that it's particularly necessary or interesting. Since he was displaced as Robin in the 80s, I always sort of felt Dick deserved a more definitive costume/codename. I always thought Nightwing was a bit generic, but some creators made it work (until they got rid of the high-backed collar--- I loved that collar) (but then, I grew up in the 80s and poppin' the collar was not just a style choice, but a way of life). I actually always liked the E2 adult Robin costume (the red, yellow and green one, not the Batman Jr one, which is an abomination), as it was an evolution of the original. So maybe the 10YL approach will grow on me. I trust Charlie and Don to hit it out of the park in execution.
Great epilogue bookend of the story. Nice little reveal, great interplay with both characters, and a very ominous way to end the story, with something coming to disturb the equilibrium Gotham has wrested from chaos. Lots of players aligned on the board, but all on one side--- which just means there is a pretty big shoe to drop with the 10YL minis coming soon! And I can't wait to read about it!
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Post by HoM on Aug 5, 2015 12:59:48 GMT -5
Right, so I wrote quite a lengthy response to this last week but I fumbled on the laptop and exited the page before posting it. I lost everything. And I ran away cry-laughing in agony. I won't be addressing all the points you raise in your feedback, David. I can't do it again! It's nice to see Charlie writing the Question again. He is so identified with the character that it would be a shame not to include him/her in this last hurrah. And this was a great intro to the new dynamic between the law and the vigilantes of Gotham. This is obviously all your fault, David. It was your questioning if The Question was going to appear that led to me revisiting the character, but also it combined with a recent re-read of a lot of Greg Rucka’s DC content and my love of Renee Montoya. I didn’t want to ignore a massive character arc that a fan-favourite went through, so incorporating aspects of Renee’s journey through Gotham Central and 52 was vital to me, but I also wanted to do something very different, and that meant addressing something with Vic Sage that I read after 52. Vic goes through a hell of a lot during that series, and when he and Renee are headed to Nanda Parbat, him dying of cancer, her struggling due to the fact she has no idea where she’s going, and he dies, it’s one of the most heart breaking moments in the book. The terrible thing is, if they got to Nanda Parbat sooner, Accomplished Perfect Physician of the Great Ten would have been there. A man who could kill cancer cells with a whistle. So taking that note, and DC2 being our perfect world, I’ve created a timeline that leads us to a world where The Question is now a legacy role. One where both versions can co-exist. A world where Renee can have all her adventures and Vic can have what is, so far, a happy ending (uh oh). I do believe that The Question is a character I made all my mistakes and did a lot of my learning on. It’s where I did all my experiments, along with in the Doctor Occult title. I had no plans to write the character during Ten Years Later but I needed some kind of hook for this story—another one that wasn’t going to be in the sampler—and this felt like a worthy plot point that could become something very cool in the playground we are setting up.
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Post by UltimateDC on Aug 11, 2015 17:30:58 GMT -5
Alright, let's do this:
WORLD OF TOMORROW! I liked this; very somber, good character work, nicely done shifting of the POV. I'm very much a fan of the idea that people have both love for Clark Kent and reverence for Superman, so seeing that play out at his funeral was cool to me. I also like the possibilities this opens up; a world without Superman is also something I like to see played with. Nice work.
THE AUTHORITAH! This was cool too, very actiony, very intense. Midnighter especially seems to get the star treatment here, and he makes the most of it. I suppose if I had any complaint, it's that I'd have liked to see a bit more of Hawksmoor since he's my favorite, but I suppose there's more of these stories somewhere down the line, yes?
NIGHTWING AND SUPERBOY! Very cool, very intense. While I'm not exactly as perturbed by Superboy's DC2 origin as others (it's squicky, but not too squicky), I do like this reinvention. Having him become a new version of Flamebird is a cool idea and helps set him apart from the rest of the Superfamily. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes of this.
LSH! A bit minimalist, but I suppose that's the point. Still, it's a good set-up - the Time Trapper is ever a reliable source of drama - and it'll be interesting to see the rest of the Legion scattered across the cosmos. Looking forward to what comes next.
SUPERGIRLWOMAN! Now this is an idea I can get behind: a post-Superman world. It's part of why I loved 52 back when that came out. I like the "Day in the Life" (or "Week in the Life", as it were) setup; it allows for action and character and gives Kara time to shine. Also, is there a bit more to the relationship between Kara and Lena than what's on the page or am I just reading into things?
YOUNG JUSTICE! Very concise, very to-the-point. Still, it's a showcase for the new team and it works well in that regard. Some quick character moments, some quick action, it all works. Plus I like the new character designs.
HAWKMAN! I'll be honest: I've never gotten super into Hawkman. His backstory's just too convoluted and constantly changing for me to get into it. Still, this was cool; very ominous, very foreshadowing. Good stuff.
GOTHAM! I love seeing the Bat-family act like an actual family. It's so uninteresting when writers feel the need to have Bruce keep everyone at arm's length. Plus, we got the Question involved! I love that guy! Good character work, good set-up. I'm looking forward to what comes next.
HEX! I like the idea of taking the phrase "space cowboy" to it's literal extreme, so seeing this was actually a lot cooler than I expected. Really ominous with a great payoff. I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of dialogue without contractions, but that didn't really bug me here. Now if only Hex had a pair of robot fists (POW!), we'd be golden.
All in all, this was a really cool anthology and I'm glad I got to read it. Plus that cover looks really really cool. Nice work all around.
-UDC
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Post by HoM on Aug 13, 2015 15:20:03 GMT -5
WORLD OF TOMORROW! I liked this; very somber, good character work, nicely done shifting of the POV. I'm very much a fan of the idea that people have both love for Clark Kent and reverence for Superman, so seeing that play out at his funeral was cool to me. I also like the possibilities this opens up; a world without Superman is also something I like to see played with. Nice work. Oh man, I agree completely with the Clark Kent comment—he was an awardwinning journalist with a habit of wholeheartedly supporting the little guy, the under dog. I’m surprised there wasn’t a congregation of fans and old friends that the rest of the cast had no idea existed flocking to the funeral! I can imagine many a wake occurring throughout the world for the loss of a great man and a champion in his own right. THE AUTHORITAH! This was cool too, very actiony, very intense. Midnighter especially seems to get the star treatment here, and he makes the most of it. I suppose if I had any complaint, it's that I'd have liked to see a bit more of Hawksmoor since he's my favorite, but I suppose there's more of these stories somewhere down the line, yes? God, maybe it’s just the way the Midnighter is. I didn’t intend to highlight him in any particular way, I probably wanted to showcase the Guardian more (I love him so) but the Midnighter is a boss, and I’ve loved him since the original Authority run, and beyond. More Authority stories… well… NIGHTWING AND SUPERBOY! Very cool, very intense. While I'm not exactly as perturbed by Superboy's DC2 origin as others (it's squicky, but not too squicky), I do like this reinvention. Having him become a new version of Flamebird is a cool idea and helps set him apart from the rest of the Superfamily. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes of this. Thanks, man. I wanted something loud and cathartic to come for Kon and I’m glad this story has been received well. Even if you didn’t think the origin was too bad, I’m glad we can now move forward in a way that really gives the guy a chance to grow beyond being Superman-Boy, you know? SUPERGIRLWOMAN! Now this is an idea I can get behind: a post-Superman world. It's part of why I loved 52 back when that came out. I like the "Day in the Life" (or "Week in the Life", as it were) setup; it allows for action and character and gives Kara time to shine. Also, is there a bit more to the relationship between Kara and Lena than what's on the page or am I just reading into things? 52! You and me both, mate. Taking these opportunities for story telling jumps is a big part of why I’m enjoying working in the Ten Years Later sandpit, and there’s so much I want to write, not only during the jump, but also after. Who knows what’s going to come when all is said and done? And no comment on the ‘more’ observation... YOUNG JUSTICE! Very concise, very to-the-point. Still, it's a showcase for the new team and it works well in that regard. Some quick character moments, some quick action, it all works. Plus I like the new character designs. Jamie is the bomb when it comes to designing costumes and I’m psyched to see where we go with this one. I wanted to establish the team, who they are, give a dose of personality to everyone featured and just have the foundation ready for what comes next. I know bits and pieces of where I want them to go, but it’s challenging pulling it together, especially when I’ve spent all week figuring out my Batman stories for the event! GOTHAM! I love seeing the Bat-family act like an actual family. It's so uninteresting when writers feel the need to have Bruce keep everyone at arm's length. Plus, we got the Question involved! I love that guy! Good character work, good set-up. I'm looking forward to what comes next. Yeah, I’m pro-Bat-family, but I’m hoping to deliver two very different stories for the event when it comes to the dynamics on show. Batman: The Final Knight will be the Bruce Wayne show. It’ll be him and minimal interaction with the Bat-family. Gotham Knights: The Last Laugh is all about the extended cast and how they’re doing ten years later. I’ve got the former really well hashed out and I’ve written the most intense Joker stuff I’ve ever come up with over the weekend for the latter. Terrifying stuff, but written with an ear toward Mark Hamill performing it…
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Post by David on Aug 16, 2015 17:15:54 GMT -5
WORLD OF TOMORROW! I liked this; very somber, good character work, nicely done shifting of the POV. I'm very much a fan of the idea that people have both love for Clark Kent and reverence for Superman, so seeing that play out at his funeral was cool to me. I also like the possibilities this opens up; a world without Superman is also something I like to see played with. Nice work. Thanks for the feedback, Scott. I made a conscious decision to focus (mostly) on the people who know Kal-El isn't really dead (for all they know, that is), and not on the pathos of an actual funeral (which may have necessitated a scene like the one Charlie suggests, but we do get a little of that with Jimmy and Perry). My upcoming Ten Years Later mini is a straight-up Superman story (complete with loads of Superman!), but if the whole "world without a Superman" thing appeals to you, check out Charlie's Superwoman 10YL mini to see what that looks like in the DC2niverse. No doubt the DCU Hawkman suffers from convoluted continuity, but Hawkman's story on the DC2 is fairly straight forward, and the neat thing about writing this 10YL mini is a chance to actually wrap up the story of Carter Hall: FINAL FLIGHT will be the ending promised from the beginning I made in THE IMMORTAL LEGEND OF THE HAWKMAN in 2005. I'm glad you enjoyed the preview and hope you'll like the mini. Thanks for the feedback, buddy!
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Post by HoM on Aug 17, 2015 12:35:29 GMT -5
My upcoming Ten Years Later mini is a straight-up Superman story (complete with loads of Superman!), but if the whole "world without a Superman" thing appeals to you, check out Charlie's Superwoman 10YL mini to see what that looks like in the DC2niverse. Oh, man, the way Superwoman is coming together is a blast. This is a world without Superman, for sure, and it's looking at how the world reacts when a new hero steps up in his costume, and she's not exactly who they expected her to be. Sure, Supergirl has kicked about in the DC2 for a couple of years, in-universe time, but how will she confront their expectations of her? Not only that, but you're going to see Lena Luthor battle Metropolis' perception of her as the daughter of a villain, you're going to see other heroes step up into the void, it's going to be a blast, and I'm currently writing it in chronological order-- I've just started writing a section focusing on the return of one of my most 'iconic' (uh oh) Superman villains that I've written on the site. I'm just hoping to top myself and everything I've done in that corner of the universe with this title.
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Post by Susan Hillwig on Sept 15, 2015 15:36:20 GMT -5
HEX! I like the idea of taking the phrase "space cowboy" to it's literal extreme, so seeing this was actually a lot cooler than I expected. Really ominous with a great payoff. I'll admit I'm not the biggest fan of dialogue without contractions, but that didn't really bug me here. Now if only Hex had a pair of robot fists (POW!), we'd be golden. "Space cowboy"? You can bet I wasn't ready for that...but I'm sure you know where it's at (yeah yeah yeah yeah). The lack of contractions is a gag I tend to pull when writing what's supposed to be a non-English language: it sets off a little signal in your brain that what you're reading is a different speech pattern than you're used to, without having to resort to a different font. It's along the same lines of when I write Hex's dialogue in "Jonah-speak" (i.e. writing out his accent phonetically), so the reader can recognize him even when he's "off-camera"! I cannot promise robot fists, but I will try to deliver a good mix of sci-fi and typical Hex badass-ness.
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Post by artteach on Dec 8, 2015 0:46:08 GMT -5
Sorry I'm late to the conversation but just started reading 10 years later and wanted to comment/praise. Understand I have not read the issues that follow these previews. Also please understand I have not read anything on the site in 7 years.
World of Tomorrow- The best written story of the group it was great start. The character introductions and conversations did a great job of explaining the last ten years without sounding like a list of plot points. Barry, Ray, and Hal had the best conversation of the group. I wasn't totally sure about Wonder Woman's point of view. It seemed a little forced. Martha and Lois together is just a warm moment of a nice character driven story.
Black and White- This gave me a Quantum Leap/ Sliders/Battlestar Galactica feeling. This is a good thing. I like the idea of a rag tag ship of survivors bouncing across the multiverse looking for a planet called Earth-1. The Authority are a group that a great when done right. Early issues of Wildstorm's Authority did the characters justice and gave them heart. The later volumes of Authority lost any heart and soul and just gave them gore and edge. So far you have the heart of the characters showing through the story.
Burn the Future Down- Good way to push Conner's story to the next level. I like this idea better than the Teen Titan's future world were everyone just stepped into their mentor's role. Flamebird and Nightwing could become a new World's Finest. The story itself was pretty basic in plot but the villain was well written and had some drama so it works.
LoSH- Sorry, didn't read. Not your fault, just never liked the Legion.
Superwoman- Great story by itself. I was liking all three takes on the main characters immediately. The Quiet King has a nice creepy Ultron feel to him with the extra immortal Phantom Zone villain going. Kara's interaction with John and Lena sets her apart from her cousin. She has a belief in the goodness of people even beyond Clark and seems to try and understand them. Also great image of superwoman flying.
Young Justice- The Peter David Young Justice does not get the positive accolades it deserves. This is another really well written story that can stand on it's own as more than a preview. It is another example of good dialogue hiding the giving of background information. The costume designs are good. I already have a few thumbnails sketched out just looking at them. Your Empress looks much better than the real design. I’m not totally sold on the Flamebird design. Conner has always been a darker shade of Superman in personality and costume. The brighter happy Conner is a big shift in my mental image of the character.
Hawkman Is a little choppy to really create an image in my mind of the direction the story is going. It has nice little excerpts of what could be good storylines that are well written. It just doesn’t do anything for me. Gotham- Another nice setup of the 10 years later storyline in Gotham. I also want Selina and Bruce. It just is not right to be anyone else. Happy Jason is a strange idea. CEO Tim is perfect. Dick still bouncing from identity to identity sounds about right. In my mind he a personality that seems to swing from one thing to another never able to make a decision. Babs or Starfire, Bludhaven or Gotham, Titan or Justice League Member, Nightwing or Red Robin. I think he probably wears boxers one day and briefs the next. So having him jumping around makes sense. The Question needs more stories. I my world he would be the Wolverine of the DC2 with appearances in every story. I just love the Question. Still have a hard time with Renee as the Question, but I like her as a character. I wish just once a Batman TV/Movie project would do justice to her character. Campfire Story- Yes, Jonah Hex, aliens, revolution, six shooters. I love Hex. This was great preview that took Jonah and mixed him with the old Pulp Sci-Fi John Carter/ Flash Gordon/ Buck Rogers. Except that Hex would take out all of them. Love the alien point of view for the narration. Just a well written piece of good old fashioned fun.
Now I’m on the stories.
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Post by HoM on Dec 8, 2015 10:14:09 GMT -5
Sorry I'm late to the conversation but just started reading 10 years later and wanted to comment/praise. Understand I have not read the issues that follow these previews. Also please understand I have not read anything on the site in 7 years. Thanks for taking the time, 'Teach. I hope that everything is really accessible, while also rewarding those who might have read the issues back in the day. I think we're very aware that we're nowhere near the readership we had way back when-- hell, is there even a readership?-- but it's about telling stories that are true to what came before, concluding stories started ten years ago, but also making sure anyone popping onto the site can read them without feeling excluded. Anyway, onto the feedback-- Black and White- This gave me a Quantum Leap/ Sliders/Battlestar Galactica feeling. This is a good thing. I like the idea of a rag tag ship of survivors bouncing across the multiverse looking for a planet called Earth-1. The Authority are a group that a great when done right. Early issues of Wildstorm's Authority did the characters justice and gave them heart. The later volumes of Authority lost any heart and soul and just gave them gore and edge. So far you have the heart of the characters showing through the story. I'm really glad you got the vibe you did, that's exactly what I was going for! I'm a massive fan of Ellis & Hitch's run on The Authority, Millar did some stuff I really disliked and then the book fell apart until Brubaker & Nguyen came back on the title after the Coup d'État event. This is a series I've wanted to work on for a while, and when Ten Years Later came up it was a great opportunity. The original plan was to actually launch an actual ongoing title at the same time as wrapping up the title, just to play around with format, but unfortunately we're just doing the latter-- a grand finale coming in the next few weeks. Burn the Future Down- Good way to push Conner's story to the next level. I like this idea better than the Teen Titan's future world were everyone just stepped into their mentor's role. Flamebird and Nightwing could become a new World's Finest. The story itself was pretty basic in plot but the villain was well written and had some drama so it works. Thanks, man. I wanted to write a really straight forward story that could introduce all the concepts I wanted to get across without it getting too busy. I don't think Conner was every going to step into Superman's shoe, but like Kara, I think it was possible for him to become something of his own. Not Super-someone else, but an identity he could run with. Flamebird clicked and helped fill in a lot of the gaps that were left over from the original character's run back in the day, and there's plenty of places to go in the future if we follow up with him. Namely, who is the Kryptonian Nightwing? Superwoman- Great story by itself. I was liking all three takes on the main characters immediately. The Quiet King has a nice creepy Ultron feel to him with the extra immortal Phantom Zone villain going. Kara's interaction with John and Lena sets her apart from her cousin. She has a belief in the goodness of people even beyond Clark and seems to try and understand them. Also great image of superwoman flying. Superwoman is the MVP of Ten Years Later, in my opinion. With Superman gone, it was time for her to step up, and in-universe she's done just that. I just hope the stories I tell-- and there's two issues of her mini live on the site-- live up to that standard. Young Justice- The Peter David Young Justice does not get the positive accolades it deserves. This is another really well written story that can stand on it's own as more than a preview. It is another example of good dialogue hiding the giving of background information. The costume designs are good. I already have a few thumbnails sketched out just looking at them. Your Empress looks much better than the real design. I’m not totally sold on the Flamebird design. Conner has always been a darker shade of Superman in personality and costume. The brighter happy Conner is a big shift in my mental image of the character. Jamie is a boss when it comes to character designs and we went back and forth with what we wanted for these guys. He actually helped push for certain characters, and again, the idea was to convey where they were, what they've been through, and tease stories that could come next. Gotham- Another nice setup of the 10 years later storyline in Gotham. I also want Selina and Bruce. It just is not right to be anyone else. Happy Jason is a strange idea. CEO Tim is perfect. Dick still bouncing from identity to identity sounds about right. In my mind he a personality that seems to swing from one thing to another never able to make a decision. Babs or Starfire, Bludhaven or Gotham, Titan or Justice League Member, Nightwing or Red Robin. I think he probably wears boxers one day and briefs the next. So having him jumping around makes sense. The Question needs more stories. I my world he would be the Wolverine of the DC2 with appearances in every story. I just love the Question. Still have a hard time with Renee as the Question, but I like her as a character. I wish just once a Batman TV/Movie project would do justice to her character. Sorry about the lack of Bruce + Selina, but I always OTP'd Bruce + Silver, ever since I read Strange Apparitions. I think that was probably one of the first Batman collections I ever read, along with Knightfall Part 2: Broken Bat. Hopefully we can turn you around on it, as their stories does continue in Batman: Final Knight and we're also planning on getting Gotham Knights: Last Laugh out early next year, featuring even more of the Gotham set. Jason's redemption has been one of the overarching themes of my work on the Bat-titles since back in the day. We put him through the ringer and I wanted to get him out of it, so giving him the happy ending was one of the important parts of his characters' "final act". Tim was also always going to end up being the brains of whatever he wanted to, so the CEO role was a great extension of that too. You and I share a love of the Question, Vic Sage was a guy I wrote numerous times across the board, and I know he's going to appear in one hell of a story next year that we started but never finished. Yes, I fully intend to wrap up Lamentation Day, the big Secret Society of Super Villains vs Justice League vs Danger Trail vs Birds of Prey story we started years back but never finished. Thanks again for taking the time! Receiving feedback-- be it good or bad-- from folk makes it all worth it.
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