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Post by HoM on Oct 21, 2015 17:33:47 GMT -5
We are back with another issue, the conclusion to Justice League's latest arc! Check out Jamie's amazing cover-- -- and let us know what you thought of the issue!
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Post by HoM on Nov 29, 2015 18:42:41 GMT -5
This issue was fun to write, but it had to do a couple of key things, story-wise, after the threads I laid during my first burst of activity on the title. As you might have seen, there was a thirteen month gap between Justice League Vol. 2 #5 and #6-- April 2014 and May 2015-- and that was because I hit a creative bump in the road I couldn't get over. In the run up to relaunching the title, I wrote in a mad daze and wrote up to #11 over April, May, June of 2015. The only issue I didn't really write in that frenzy was Vol. 2 #12 and the upcoming #50. I wrapped #12 in October and I'm working on #50 now. Anyway.
Justice League Vol. 2 #5 featured the Global Peace Agency being dismantled in favour of Stormwatch. Chloe Sullivan got jobbed out of the number one policeman of the Earth in favour of Bendix, and I had this whole plan for Stormwatch to become this really nasty-- albeit necessary-- organisation that helped keep the growing threat of metahumans at bay. But when I came back to the DC2, I knew that wasn't where I wanted to go with the title at that time.
As the "spine book" of the DC2, I've got the ability to cover a lot of ground, but that ground takes up story space. Establishing Stormwatch would have taken a lot of legwork, so I accelerated the first stage of their story so that I could wrap it here, in Vol. 2 #11. After Kobra, we have a time jump, so Stormwatch have been operating during that six months or so, so it was cool to have that implied “pedigree” to the group.
A quick digression-- Don explained his view of the Justice League and it really stayed with me. The Justice League team up to face threats that individual heroes can’t defeat. So you don’t see the Justice League descend of Gotham is the Scarecrow is kicking about unless it gets world threatening. There’s a trust that Batman and his operation can deal with that threat. So their adventures, as a group, take place every couple of months. After Kobra was sorted (though keep reading our Outsiders back-up to see it’s not as sorted as it originally seemed) the team went back on standby, and six months passed in-universe until... the adventures continued.
So when we come back, Stormwatch are there, they’re a thorn in the Justice League’s side, and Bendix begins his ultimate plan-- and it’s mad, and we say it’s mad in the story, because why would you go up against the Justice League?-- to turn the world against the Justice League. They’ve got a savvy PR department, but the Justice League is the Justice League. Bendix takes great risks, attempts to frame the League, sends Team Achilles after them, and eventually faces off against a group of heroes in the UN Building, revealing himself to be his own final experiment in metahuman creation.
The team facing off against Bendix was all women because I’m working with Jamie. He’s always pushing for more females, but a lot of characters we have on the site are “called for” in other titles-- another Don-ism, he explained that just because we don’t see them, doesn’t mean the teams like New Outsiders and Teen Titans aren’t having adventures-- so we end up with a really esoteric group of women.
Doctor Light is a character I always come back to, same as Big Barda-- a personal favourite of Jamie-- and Wonder Woman is a character I’m always trying to “click with”. Zatanna was an addition to build up the female contingent, and Mera made an appearance in the Kobra arc and I wanted to use a character like her for the same reason as Zatanna but also because she’s amazing.
But that’s not how this is going to work, I realised. I wanted to use as many women as possible, but there has to be a place for them in the story, and the roster is already STACKED and we have so much planned. I have ‘spotlight’ stories planned for Blue Beetle (#53-56), Wonder Woman (#62-66), Majestic (#68-70), Cyborg (#71-72), a roster change we have in Vol. 2 #12 (that hit the site this weekend) and then another in #67 (which should hit, if we maintain a monthly schedule, in July 2017, yikes).
I couldn’t figure out stories for Mera and Zatanna that early on. I may figure it out and slip them-- or others-- back into the roster and into the story schedule, but I can’t just use a character for one story then let them drop into the background for witty banter. It’s not fair on the characters and I need to write the stories I can write and do what I can with the best tools at my disposal.
Anyway, there’s plenty more to talk about. The Majestic / Marlowe plot will continue for the time being (and it does in Vol. 2 #12) but I’m going to be honest, there’s a lot of plot simmering for them, but I’ll discuss that when I comment about that issue. Batman is going to continue to come in and out of the team, like Grant Morrison used him, and there’s some great stuff planned for 2016.
Jamie and I are having fun. I think I can say that! I think I can speak for Jamie there! We're redesigning costumes-- that Zatanna costume she's wearing on the cover of Vol. 2 #11 is snazzy, and Wonder Woman's skirt is something. It'll hopefully get longer over time! Jamie is always pushing for Big Barda to wear her FULL costume, again as you can see above, and there's lots more costume design, villain design, cover work, that'll keep these books both visually interesting, as well as content-interesting.
Oh, I mentioned it elsewhere, but it looks like my titles e.g. Green Lantern Corps and Justice League, are going to take January off. I’ve discussed it with Jamie and we’re going to try and build up a buffer of content again. In February we have the start of our next two-parter, and ArtTeach has agreed to do the covers for it, so that’s an interesting change. If we build up enough of a buffer, we might go bi-weekly, but there’s no real rush. Lots of fun stories, lots of Green Lantern Corps and Justice League and a few side projects that will keep the torch of the DC2 lit.
I’m still here, it doesn’t look like I’m going anywhere, and there are plenty of stories still left to tell. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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Post by oblique on Dec 15, 2017 14:57:29 GMT -5
As always, it's nice not having to wait for the finale of an ongoing series this jampacked! Great work, Charlie, on the "Stormwatch" story from #46 to #48. First, great titles. Drag the angels down and hold them under in particular is such a sinister, aphoristic title that really helped frame the issue. I skimmed your previous "Letters" and I can see where you're coming from, using the styling of a television series in the pacing of your issues. I think I can say that it works! Jaime's covers were great. I love his costuming for Wonder Woman (I'm a big fan of Amazonian Diana) and Mera.
It was a lot of fun to see the Justice League take on this incarnation of Stormwatch and give them a very satisfying beat-down. It felt very much like the Wildstorm universe, for good an ill - adult, serious, dramatic, on the edge of being too self-serious, and then balanced nicely for DC2. Honestly, it felt like the right call to leave Stormwatch off the table after this, so to speak. After fighting Kobra, it was nice that the League had regained enough public trust and learned a lesson or two that helped them defeat Bendix. You wrote a very fun-to-hate scummy sort of villain, and he got his comeuppance! Chloe was pitch perfect, what a final moment! That was great.
Moving along was the "B" plot with Majestic and the Daemonites. I will have to wait and see where that is going! It did feel a little like Superman was 'Worfed' a bit in these issues to up the ante with the Kherans, but that is a minor complaint. But the Lord Imperator's betrayal was, to me, unforeseen and a little shocking. Damn. Majestic is more akin to Martian Manhunter than Superman in that regard - those two haven't really interacted, either!
I will add that I didn't necessarily know that time had passed, perhaps I read too quickly? Anyways, congrats on a great finale. I loved the big rescue aboard the Stormwatch ship. This was the Justice League standing firm and emerging intact. Great issues!
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Post by oblique on Dec 15, 2017 14:58:18 GMT -5
It's also cool to receive the occasional insight into the editorial discussions you have had and the different ideas each editor has given you. Very cool!
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Post by HoM on Dec 21, 2017 12:55:43 GMT -5
It's also cool to receive the occasional insight into the editorial discussions you have had and the different ideas each editor has given you. Very cool! One of my favourite things from a lot of indie comics I read in the mid-00s, was "back matter". Ed Brubaker delivers it in Criminal, and Warren Ellis did it in the likes of Doktor Sleepless (an unfinished masterpiece that generates dozens of ideas in me with every read) and the seminal Fell, one of my favourite pieces of fiction, bar none. It was an opportunity for creators to explain their process, show script excerpts, tell their readership about what inspires and influence them, and on and on it goes. When I came back to the site, I went through a phase of wanting to do something similar, and because no one was publicly reading the book (or commenting) it was an interesting opportunity for me to download all the thoughts about a story from my head and onto the page. Because no one was interacting with me about story elements, there's some stuff I never told anyone, but it's a fun experience and kind of contextualises a lot of the narrative decisions being made. When we reach Justice League RIP, I might share the original breakdown of the second volume of Justice League, because I found it recently, and the original framework was twelve issues, half of it being focused on Kobra and the other half a Wildstorm-inspired story. Twelve issues in total to tell the story I’m still telling now, 31 issues in and nowhere near finished telling. It might be of interest to people! Just so everyone’s aware. When I relaunched the book, one of my favourite DC2ers, DrDread, was on covers; he redesigned the logo, and we wanted to commemorate it with a new #1. I realised near the end of my first year of volume two that my second year would coincide with an overall issue count of fifty, so I had to change the numbering to celebrate. As much as I love starting from #1, I love anniversary issues even more. I did the exact same with Green Lantern, as we neared #50 and the culmination of fifty issues worth of story! But as ever, I digress! I like having as much fun with the make-up of an issue or a story as possible. #40-42’s titles all run into each other, “ Like A House Of Cards” “ It All Falls Down” “ When The Sun Finally Sets”. I was really pleased with that one. Have you ever watched Orphan Black? Their episode titles are crazy, e.g. " Nature Under Constraint and Vexed”, " Mingling Its Own Nature With It", etc. I took a lot of inspiration from that show in the 2015 era issues. In fact, I had intended to call what became Justice Leauge Annual #3, “ Reversing Certain Processes of Human Psychology”, as it deals with the aftermath of specific events that occurred in #70, the conclusion to “ An End To The Age Of Wonders”, but the annual structure won out, and it’s… nameless. You’ll soon see why. Anyway, a personal favourite was Justice League #49, “ What Comes Before And Centre”, which, if there was still an activity community, might have triggered some kind of conversation, because clearly the issue should have been called “ The Calm Before The Storm”, but I was messing around and playing games with it. And yes, #49 is a calm-before-the-storm kind of story, not only because the next issue is our enormous #50 celebration-- with a cross-time-caper (and a mash-up cover by Roy and Jamie!), but also after #50, I began my run toward #75, which has been massively important to me.
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Post by HoM on Dec 21, 2017 13:41:28 GMT -5
As always, it's nice not having to wait for the finale of an ongoing series this jampacked! Great work, Charlie, on the "Stormwatch" story from #46 to #48. First, great titles. Drag the angels down and hold them under in particular is such a sinister, aphoristic title that really helped frame the issue. I sometimes worry that my titles are too long, especially when I have to do the “New Issues Header” on the homepage of the site. The longer a title the more it’ll throw the off the layout, which is a right ball ache to fix. So I try to be a bit more restrained nowadays, but I think evocation is the important aspect of a title. Sometimes I get too smart… for example, in the issues detailing the return of J’onn J’onzz and Ma'Alefa'Ak, I was originally going to run with the following titles: “ Fire Itself”, “ A Changed Martian”, “ Peel Back The Skin And The Bone”, “ A Conspiracy of Fools” and “ Martian Manhunted” but instead, because I started thinking that two Blue Oyster Cult song titles, namely “ Fire of Unknown Origin” and “ Burning For You” would be perfect for certain instalments, I went all in on BOC, and that’s how we ended up with all BOC song names for the names of the issues! Inteeestingly as an aside, “ Martian Manhunted” is the name of the first ever fan fiction story I wrote (back on the pre-DC2 site I met David on), and it was about a depowered J’onn J’onzz investigating nourish crime as John Jones, while haunted by his murderous brother. The more things change… I skimmed your previous "Letters" and I can see where you're coming from, using the styling of a television series in the pacing of your issues. I think I can say that it works! I actually think I’ve applied that methodology to a lot of my prose. The first novel I self-published was based on the narrative structure established by the first run of the BBC’s Sherlock-- three “episodes” culminating in a finale, but utilising beginning, middle and end three times over but also in the macro of the whole run, as well as the micro of each episode. I think it’s a fine balancing act to do, because I’ve struggled with pacing these recent arcs, due to self-imposed constraints on arc length. Once we pass #75 I’ll hopefully be able to make stories breathe more. We’ll see! Jaime's covers were great. I love his costuming for Wonder Woman (I'm a big fan of Amazonian Diana) and Mera. Jamie loves drawing powerful women, especially Big Barda, so I tried to pitch him cover ideas that played into his strength. What’s the point of doing this for fun if you’re not actually having fun? That’s why I quickly moved my roster away from Big Seven to something a lot more flexible. That’s why the god damn Guardian plays a massive role in my roster nowadays. Because fun. Because I love writing the guy. Unfortunately, Jamie’s got some back problems that mean he can’t draw at the minute, but as soon as he’s healthy he’ll be back. We have something massive planned for the #75 arc, and I really want him to deliver at least one of the amazing cover ideas he had. It was a lot of fun to see the Justice League take on this incarnation of Stormwatch and give them a very satisfying beat-down. It felt very much like the Wildstorm universe, for good an ill - adult, serious, dramatic, on the edge of being too self-serious, and then balanced nicely for DC2. Honestly, it felt like the right call to leave Stormwatch off the table after this, so to speak. Introducing Stormwatch early… I do admit that I have some regrets on the execution. If the site was running at full speed I could have had the group play a role in stories across the universe, you know? Team Achilles causing issues for the Titans, maybe cracking down on the Outsiders… all in-universe things that make sense. But due to the parred back state of the site, it meant that everything starts in Justice League and has to end in Justice League, so the scale of some stories doesn’t come off like I want it to. I’ve effectively shut down the likes of Checkmate and the DEO, and replaced them first with the Global Peace Agency, then Stormwatch, and after that another version of the GPA. Wouldn’t it be good to see that play out elsewhere as well? I’d love to write an espionage book with the likes of King Faraday, the spy master general of the DC2, having to bounce around in this new world order. Imagine him butting heads with Henry Bendix! Imagine him interacting with his once-protégé Chloe Sullivan! That would have been brilliant. I hope I introduced some scale to the concept, because Stormwatch meant a lot to me when I was “maturing” as a comics reader. Wildstorm always had great ideas flying around in their books, even if they didn’t deliver on them due to 90s EXTREME!!! art or pastiche writing from folks who wanted to be the next Alan Moore but came up short massively. This is just another aspect of Wildstorm “invading” the DC2, and as I write this, I’m currently taking a break from working on #72 and the debut of something (some ones) else MASSIVELY Wildstorm. I also appreciate that right now, with Warren Ellis having come back to mainstream comics to work on DC’s The Wildstorm, that there’s a bit of serendipitous storytelling going on, as we’re both taking the same style of approach to the characters—remix, reimagine and release out into the world! After fighting Kobra, it was nice that the League had regained enough public trust and learned a lesson or two that helped them defeat Bendix. You wrote a very fun-to-hate scummy sort of villain, and he got his comeuppance! Chloe was pitch perfect, what a final moment! That was great. Ugh! It was so important for the public to not fall for Bendix’s tricks. Even in the face of overwhelming odds, the Justice League should be trusted above all else. The peoples’ faith in them was rocked by Kobra, but then they were proven right. So when it happens again… who’s going to actually fall for it? Yeah, the footage is “real”, but this is the Justice League we’re talking about. So it was important to have a “rebuttal” in-story to that narrative trick. Bendix is such a heightened villain in all his appearances, so it was important to do him justice while also adding some layers in which you might not have expected. He’s got a secret history in the DC2 with the likes of the Guardian and others that I intend to visit some day, but he’s not gone from the book. In fact, as I write #72… Moving along was the "B" plot with Majestic and the Daemonites. I will have to wait and see where that is going! It did feel a little like Superman was 'Worfed' a bit in these issues to up the ante with the Kherans, but that is a minor complaint. But the Lord Imperator's betrayal was, to me, unforeseen and a little shocking. Damn. Majestic is more akin to Martian Manhunter than Superman in that regard - those two haven't really interacted, either! I had a bit of concern keeping Superman and Majestic around at the same time, so I made the decision very early on to ship the former off. Majestic is a really interesting character—a powerful, militaristic idealist—and him being this wild card created interesting opportunities early on. It was his head strong nature that created a problem in the first place, giving Stormwatch the chance to try and “frame” the team, but as ever in my stories, people get to talking and things get sorted out. I actually worried that I “Worfed” Majestic as the stories featuring him played out—he’s so powerful and could reasonably end every threat the team come up against by his lonesome, that he gets punked out every single second act. Hopefully I redeem that in #70-74. I will add that I didn't necessarily know that time had passed, perhaps I read too quickly? Anyways, congrats on a great finale. I loved the big rescue aboard the Stormwatch ship. This was the Justice League standing firm and emerging intact. Great issues! If anything’s not clear then it’s the fault of poor writing so I apologise! There wasn’t a massive time jump at the end, but a sequence of events falling like dominos after the fall of Stormwatch. I can’t wait to get back to these characters again!
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Post by oblique on Dec 22, 2017 9:11:57 GMT -5
I love the long titles - although I can see why the titles might cause some headaches on the homepage - and felt much the same about Orphan Black! I've never been able to find the whole show available to watch, I've seen the first two seasons, as it's no longer on Netflix in Canada. One day I'll get the whole thing and binge the last few seasons. I really like the titles the episodic storytelling structure.
While I'm sure you had big plans - when I'm working on a project the ideas are always bigger than the stories that can contain them in a reasonable manner! - I do think it all worked out well on the pages of Justice League.
Characters like Superman and Majestic can often be challenging to write properly in a team book, which makes enemies like Kobra and Stormwatch interesting, when they to use Superman (for examples) own strength against him in the public eye...but not this team! I look forward to seeing more of where Majestros is going.
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Post by HoM on Dec 24, 2017 10:28:46 GMT -5
I love the long titles - although I can see why the titles might cause some headaches on the homepage - and felt much the same about Orphan Black! I've never been able to find the whole show available to watch, I've seen the first two seasons, as it's no longer on Netflix in Canada. One day I'll get the whole thing and binge the last few seasons. I really like the titles the episodic storytelling structure. I dropped off watching it after the first season or so but I loved the concept and I want to get back into it. It's one of those shows I kept track of on the AV Club though, so I think I need a bit more distance between air date and when I watch it so it's new to me again! I'm an idiot for spoiling shit for myself. It's an ongoing frustration. While I'm sure you had big plans - when I'm working on a project the ideas are always bigger than the stories that can contain them in a reasonable manner! - I do think it all worked out well on the pages of Justice League.Thanks. I'm giving myself plenty of time for Justice League RIP to play out, so hopefully I have no regrets when it comes to pacing that one out. Characters like Superman and Majestic can often be challenging to write properly in a team book, which makes enemies like Kobra and Stormwatch interesting, when they to use Superman (for examples) own strength against him in the public eye...but not this team! I look forward to seeing more of where Majestros is going. I actually think that's why I always struggled to write Action Comics. My two runs on that include some of the stories I'm least proud of, but which I spent the most time on. Very frustrating to effectively "waste" time on a project, but having to see it through none the less. Basically, for me, Superman is so powerful so for stories with him to make sense for me I had to make him less powerful, so every other story either took him of the board or rendered him powerless. I'm actually looking forward to writing Superman moving forward, as I think I've figured out how to now. As ever, we'll see it works out.
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