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Post by HoM on Jun 4, 2006 7:42:53 GMT -5
At the behest at one of our Powers-That-Be (sorry, I just wanted to use "behest" in a sentence today) I have decided to start a NEW thread! A-HA! On this site we have many, different people, (over a thousand ) who all share a common interest in comics (I hope!) but I was wondering, as the title of the thread asks, "What are your thoughts on Religion?"... We have Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Athiests, Agnostics, Americans and Jewish peoples... So there's my question... What are your thoughts on God, Gods, religion, Darwinsim, Creationism (sp?) and all the ideas that are included in the umbrella titled "Religion"...?
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Post by darkknightdetec on Jun 4, 2006 11:07:39 GMT -5
I think there's one and only one God.
I think both evolution and Creation happened.
I'm Catholic.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2006 11:13:54 GMT -5
Not touching this thread with a ten foot pole.
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2006 11:14:22 GMT -5
Nice use of "behest", though.
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Post by HoM on Jun 4, 2006 11:20:22 GMT -5
Nice use of "behest", though. Thanks
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Post by brigante133 on Jun 4, 2006 12:29:46 GMT -5
haha, oh charlie....
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Post by HoM on Jun 4, 2006 13:23:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought you'd like it
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Post by chris on Jun 4, 2006 13:44:18 GMT -5
Not touching this thread with a ten foot pole. Not even a fifty.
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Post by HoM on Jun 4, 2006 14:41:10 GMT -5
I will. Hee hee. Uh... I don't believe in God, because I haven't been given a reason to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2006 14:48:28 GMT -5
Yeah I'm agnostic. If there is an almighty creator(which there very well may be), I doubt we would know who he/she is? Who's to say whether there's a god or not? Who's to say what they believe in? I believe somethin must've created the universe, and such, but I also believe in evolution so...eh.
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Post by HoM on Jun 4, 2006 14:52:55 GMT -5
^What he said
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Post by giantevilhead on Jun 4, 2006 15:07:05 GMT -5
I think that an athropomorphic personal God that interferes in the universe is logically impossible. The whole free will and evil thing doesn't work. People say that god allows evil because of free will but that doesn't make any sense because free will really has nothing to do with evil. Think about it, not everyone has the same choices because they don't have the same abilities. A blind man can never choose to see but he doesn't have any less free will than the rest of us. If there is a God and he/she/it created the universe and wrote its laws then he/she/it could have simply made it so that humans aren't physically capable of doing anything evil, it would just take free will out of the equation.
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Post by chris on Jun 4, 2006 15:17:56 GMT -5
If you saw a cadillac in the woods would you assume the pieces just fell together overtime? That they grew from a pencil sharpener? I wouldn't so I thik it is safe to assume that the complexity of the human body didn't just happen.
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Post by Romans Empire on Jun 4, 2006 15:26:25 GMT -5
I think that an athropomorphic personal God that interferes in the universe is logically impossible. The whole free will and evil thing doesn't work. People say that god allows evil because of free will but that doesn't make any sense because free will really has nothing to do with evil. Think about it, not everyone has the same choices because they don't have the same abilities. A blind man can never choose to see but he doesn't have any less free will than the rest of us. If there is a God and he/she/it created the universe and wrote its laws then he/she/it could have simply made it so that humans aren't physically capable of doing anything evil, it would just take free will out of the equation. First off I will assume you meant anthropomorphic personal God? Second, the above statement has way too many counter-points that I wouldn't know where to begin. I will only say this. Darkness does not exist. It isn't a real thing. Darkness is the absence of light. So why didn't God make it so it was light all the time? My thoughts on religion? I think very little of religion. My thoughts on God? I think very highly of God!
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Post by Zoom on Jun 4, 2006 15:45:29 GMT -5
There must be a God, I think, but I'm not catholic or anything like that. Oh, but I do know something. That whole "If God is so..." or "absence" talking just makes me mad.
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Post by darkknightdetec on Jun 4, 2006 16:54:47 GMT -5
Think about it, not everyone has the same choices because they don't have the same abilities. A blind man can never choose to see but he doesn't have any less free will than the rest of us. People can freely make choices based on what they've been given, right? In my opinion, God will judge based on what you do with what you have. Just because a man is blind doesn't hinder him from being a great person.
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Post by darkknightdetec on Jun 4, 2006 16:57:15 GMT -5
Not touching this thread with a ten foot pole. Not even a fifty. I don't see why we can't have a healthy discussion/debate on an important aspect of everyone's lives. Just as long as it doesn't get out of control, right?
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Post by Admin on Jun 4, 2006 18:07:52 GMT -5
But it's not an important aspect of everyone's life; Charlie said that right at the top (or towards the middle, really). To some people, this is very personal and private--- and to others, it's divisive and inflammatory (this thread has only run 16 replies so far, and personally, I can already find a number of statements I would take exception to--- on more than one level).
In the name of good taste (and self-awareness), I'm staying out of this--- except to say the only thing I object to more than intolerance is ignorance.
And to remind everyone of what Socrates said about religious debates in his day: "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing."
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Post by artteach on Jun 4, 2006 18:44:55 GMT -5
I think you can discuss religion and God until the day he returns and never be able to logically convince anyone there is a God. Once you have felt God in your life. Once he grabs you, shakes you, and totally changes your life, then noone can logically talk you out of God. To discuss weather or not God exists to a person who has been touched by God is silly. To a person who has had that personal moment in their life it is like saying the sky is blue. I think God calls to each person in their life, and I hope everyone at one time or another listens when they recieve that call. I'm not a holy roller. I'm not going to be knocking at your door anytime soon with my Bible in one hand to convert you, but knowing God exist is one thing I am certain of.
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Post by dragonbat on Jun 4, 2006 18:45:11 GMT -5
What Idle said. I'm Orthodox Jewish. I believe in G-d. The problem is that any time I end up in a debate I worry that it's going to sound like I'm proseletysing. That happens to be one thing that Judaism is vehemently opposed to, btw. If anyone wants to talk about my views, PM me. Email me. But I'm really going to try to stay out of this thread. Sorry, Charlie. My livejournal's there if you want to leave a comment.
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Post by dragonbat on Jun 4, 2006 18:46:41 GMT -5
Oh, and on another note... WHO KEEPS SMITING ME?!?
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Post by Romans Empire on Jun 4, 2006 19:09:35 GMT -5
Wow! Charlie is off enjoying a rock show and he has no idea what he has started here. To be fair, one of the only reasons people ever bring up the topics of religion or politics, is to stir up a debate. I love to hear other ideas and beliefs especially if they differ from my own. For example, in another time and place I would love to hear Ellen's take on being an Orthodox Jew. That is something I am totally unfamiliar with but would love to learn more about. Maybe I am reaching an age where I don't have to have others agree with me all of the time to give credit to my beliefs. I do stop and listen when someone takes the time to express their beliefs. I feel much more strongly about beliefs then I do opinions. This probably isn't the best forum for that. So on that note, lets talk about pie instead! No one can smite someone for liking pie can they?
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Post by starlord on Jun 4, 2006 19:28:17 GMT -5
I hate pie! I'm a cake man all the way! How dare you even bring up pie in front of me! ;D Just kidding. In that kind of mood, I guess. My beliefs in God are mine, and I personally like to keep them that way. I respect everyone's personal beliefs. Faith, in any form, is a very powerful and important part of life. Having said that...(yes here comes one liberal comment I suppose) the only thing that truly bothers me is the use of religion to push matters of the state. But that's just my humble opinion.
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Post by starlord on Jun 4, 2006 19:32:03 GMT -5
Oh, and on another note... WHO KEEPS SMITING ME?!? Not me, but I gave you an exalt for being such a wonderful and inspiring writer. (please keep that in mind when I finally finish my 'Tec story and send it to you)
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Post by Romans Empire on Jun 4, 2006 19:57:06 GMT -5
Oh, and on another note... WHO KEEPS SMITING ME?!? This I do not know. But it does beg the question: What is the point of the karma thing. I am not message board savy and this is the only one I know that has that. It reminds me too much of Highschool when I cried myself to sleeping worrying what others thought of me! I will make you a deal Ellen: If you profess your love for pie I will exalt you! BTW I will smite anyone of you cake loving fools! ;D Oh, and if you love pie exalt me at will! I don't wanna cry no more! Of corse so I am not accused of driving this off topic: There must be a God! We have pie don't we?
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Post by artteach on Jun 4, 2006 20:00:42 GMT -5
I don't think put just one path to him. So on religion I have mine, you have yours and as long as it brings you closer to God, great!
As to pie, French Silk is the best one piece pie, pumpkin is the best pig out pie, and blueberry is the best hot with ice cream pie.
I don't believe one religion should be pushed by a state over another, but I do believe that a politician should have a core of beliefs they stand by and work for. Too many shift with the wind and try to please everyone. I prefer who stands for something and holds their ground any day. A person has make decisions from solid beliefs. If that is mixing church and state so be it.
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Post by dragonbat on Jun 4, 2006 20:12:21 GMT -5
I love pie... and cake... and decadent brownies
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Post by giantevilhead on Jun 4, 2006 20:18:35 GMT -5
Second, the above statement has way too many counter-points that I wouldn't know where to begin. I will only say this. Darkness does not exist. It isn't a real thing. Darkness is the absence of light. So why didn't God make it so it was light all the time? Not having enough light does not get you sent to a pit of eternal fire. There's nothing wrong with the idea of God but there is a problem with the idea of certain Gods, especially vengeful hateful ones that will send people to hell for not following arbitrary rules. There's also a definite problem with certain religions that have more faith in God than humans, like those fundamentalist ones that think people will go murdering and raping if there wasn't an arbitrary set of morals set down by an omnipotent being.
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Post by giantevilhead on Jun 4, 2006 20:19:42 GMT -5
People can freely make choices based on what they've been given, right? In my opinion, God will judge based on what you do with what you have. Just because a man is blind doesn't hinder him from being a great person. That's my point. If there was a God who created the universe and interferes in it then he/she/it could have chosen not to give humans the physical ability to perform evil.
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Post by dragonbat on Jun 4, 2006 20:41:29 GMT -5
Then... how can he reward you for doing good?
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