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Post by brigante133 on Dec 7, 2005 23:03:15 GMT -5
okay ill thinkg about it for a second.
<one second passes>
no... no hes not.
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Post by Brandon on Dec 8, 2005 8:15:32 GMT -5
See, I told you watching all that wrestling was bad for you. |
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Post by HoM on Dec 8, 2005 8:42:20 GMT -5
BRIIING THE PAAAIN!
*sits back, munches on some popcorn, and waits for Satan to arive*
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 8, 2005 10:45:54 GMT -5
muahah and those violent tendencies... i blame the cartoons...  |
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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2005 18:35:09 GMT -5
If the qualifier is "evilness" (pure malice, no redeeming qualities), I'm not sure I would cast my vote for the Joker--- after all, he's a victim of his psychosis, too. I know that sounds like bleeding-heart liberalism, but we all have to admit, the character is drenched in pathos (at least when he is written well, that is).
And he does have a sense of humor...
Darkseid on the other hand, is in complete control of his actions, intentionally does the most wicked things, and takes satisfaction in it. He doesn't have the excuse of insanity.
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 8, 2005 19:01:40 GMT -5
cept the evil that radiates from the plant... err... sorry i bought what giantevilhead was sellin. <shakes fist> damn you giant evil head!!
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Post by Brandon on Dec 8, 2005 19:38:27 GMT -5
Right, like the point in The Killing Joke, all that separates the Joker from anyone else is one REALLY bad day. He's crazy, random, chaotic, but the most evil?
My thoughts on Darkseid are that he is practically a cosmic force, born of the universe to balance the Good of New Genesis. But is it his choice? I see him like Galactus. A necessary component of the workings of creation. Without Judas would Jesus have been able to spread his word? So was Judas evil or part of a greater working scheme?
And that's why I chose Vandal Savage. He's evil by choice and been doing the bad since the dawn of man. He is practically the Original Sin of humankind. He's immortal, bad to the core, and taking his sweet time bringing about the subjugation of the human race.
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 8, 2005 19:53:00 GMT -5
who beleives anything ALAN MOORE writes |
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Post by starlord on Dec 9, 2005 6:30:13 GMT -5
Right, like the point in The Killing Joke, all that separates the Joker from anyone else is one REALLY bad day. He's crazy, random, chaotic, but the most evil? My thoughts on Darkseid are that he is practically a cosmic force, born of the universe to balance the Good of New Genesis. But is it his choice? I see him like Galactus. A necessary component of the workings of creation. Without Judas would Jesus have been able to spread his word? So was Judas evil or part of a greater working scheme? And that's why I chose Vandal Savage. He's evil by choice and been doing the bad since the dawn of man. He is practically the Original Sin of humankind. He's immortal, bad to the core, and taking his sweet time bringing about the subjugation of the human race. I see what your saying here but not sure Judas is the best comparison. Perhaps Lucifer himself is a better choice. Now we're talking the ultimate evil and yet he too is a necessity in the grand scheme of things. Does that make him any less evil? Everyone has their role that they play out in the universe. And for every Satan there is a God. For every Joker a Batman. So the same argument could be said for Vandal. He, too, could be part of a bigger picture with fate controlling him to do what he does. imho I actually was almost convinced with Joker but I'm sticking to Darkseid. The guy is practically evil incarnate. again, just one small guys opinion.  |
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Post by Brandon on Dec 9, 2005 8:03:18 GMT -5
Great points, Doc. True about Lucifer, he was just fine and dandy up in heaven until God kicked him out. So who's fault is it really? ;D
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Post by starlord on Dec 9, 2005 8:17:15 GMT -5
I'm a doctor now! Way cool! I have about a bizzillion jokes I could use but I will defer since this is a PG site.  |
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Post by Brandon on Dec 9, 2005 8:22:59 GMT -5
Aw, sorry, Brian. I get confused all early in the morning. Erk.  |
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Post by starlord on Dec 9, 2005 8:43:30 GMT -5
...that's Doctor Brian to you... ;D
LOL
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Post by Quester on Dec 9, 2005 9:13:47 GMT -5
Yeah Satan was not all cool in Heaven...kinda why he was thrown out.....yup im christian. Chill i will try not to convert you guys just yet. ;P Anyway I dont know much about DC but I voted Joker. He is scary possiblty coz he is the most evil but still human. Darkseid is an alien and everyone is scared of aliens coz there always evil (cept Supes and MM. lol) but when a man is the most homicidal physchotic character thats when it gets scary for psychological reasons. Also he has the most potential to be an outright mad-man however I find to often people play more on the fact that he looks like a clown rather than him being one freaky b*st*rd.
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 9, 2005 15:17:00 GMT -5
KSM, doctor dre--- er... brian good points. but i think what makes joker the most evil is that he was human and he has become almost worse. while taking over stuff is evil, they are doing it for a cause: power. Joker has done really awful things and not only is proud of them, but MAKES JOKES while he does them. while it is evil to do something and show no remorse, in my opinion it is far worse to do something evil and find pleasure and humor. hes crippled batgirl, killed robin, killed gordon's wife, and loads of other stuff why? because he can and thinks its funny. no matter what he was, or how he turned evil, the way he does such cold blooded and sick things and still jokes about them is far worse then doing them stone faced.
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Post by giantevilhead on Dec 9, 2005 16:31:06 GMT -5
Joker's more insane than evil. Anyone can become like the Joker if you just play around with their brain a bit and remove all the parts that inhibit dark impulses.
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Post by HoM on Dec 9, 2005 16:32:55 GMT -5
As people do... |
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 9, 2005 16:35:33 GMT -5
those are pretty bold claims giantevil head. what your saying is that even mother theresa (if she were alive today) could be driven to committ the things that joker has done if she was pushed far enough. just because he is insane that does not make excused for evil deeds does it? well maybe in the US, but not in reality. you cannot say that people that are insane are excused for being evil.
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Post by starlord on Dec 9, 2005 16:41:01 GMT -5
so have we totally written out the concept of Ambush Bug? Is that what I'm hearing, here? |
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Post by evilal on Dec 9, 2005 16:55:17 GMT -5
"just because he is insane that does not make excused for evil deeds does it? well maybe in the US, but not in reality." But surely it does. In law - insanity is a perfectly legitimate defence. In the DCU that is why the inmates at Arkham haven't all long since been sent to death row. Are they excused? Its not a question of excusing them, just recognising that there are reasons for what they do. Reasons that constitute extenuating circumstances. Hell in France you can plead temporary insanity for a crime of passion. But then... Who cares about the french? Good to know I'm not the only one who mixes up Starlord and Dr Dread. |
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Post by Dr Dread on Dec 9, 2005 17:07:49 GMT -5
But then... Who cares about the french? Evilal is the most evil villain of all time! |
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 9, 2005 17:18:01 GMT -5
docs an artist brian a writer, two different people and names entirely, i only get evilal and giantevilhead wrong everyonce in a while.
either way your wrong evilal! that is what i am saying, if i did something awful like say went out and raped, tortured, held hostage, murder them, and keep their corpse so i can do worse things to their decaying corpse, get caught and then say that i was insane, does that excuse my actions, does that make a person any less violated and dead??? in some places sure i guess it does, and that is not right, but my point is that insanity can only justify actions to a certain extent, the joker has pushed that envelope into evil territory. conquering planets and attempting to conquer nations sounds pretty insane to me, surely more insane then killing people. savage and darkseid like power, joker likes death and chaos, he may be insane, insanely EVIL.
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Post by Brandon on Dec 9, 2005 17:58:25 GMT -5
The Joker doesn't want to destroy or dominate the human race, the only person he wants to destroy is Batman (since he's his psychological trigger). Everyone else is just collateral damage.
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Post by starlord on Dec 9, 2005 18:22:16 GMT -5
[quote Good to know I'm not the only one who mixes up Starlord and Dr Dread. [/quote] No, I get them confused too! Darksied has killed and slaughtered for nothing more then his amusement. Or somebody passed gas two doors down and it offended him. He's just as random when it comes to murder then Joker is. |
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 9, 2005 18:46:26 GMT -5
that is more vicious!
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Post by giantevilhead on Dec 10, 2005 3:26:28 GMT -5
those are pretty bold claims giantevil head. what your saying is that even mother theresa (if she were alive today) could be driven to committ the things that joker has done if she was pushed far enough. just because he is insane that does not make excused for evil deeds does it? well maybe in the US, but not in reality. you cannot say that people that are insane are excused for being evil. Well for one, Mother Teresa wasn't as much of a saint as people think she was. Nothing that lives is innocent. There is darkness in us all. We have not yet shed ourselves of our primal nature. We have merely repressed it. But that very nature is still at the core of our being, that nature which encompasses all our most basic urges and desires, the rage, the lust, the madness, the destructive impulses. We are like the world which gave us birth, beneath its watery and serene surface lie a molten heart of poisonous fire, burning with hellish fury. It is all just a matter of bringing it out, letting go of all those civilized behaviors, forgetting all that you know of logic and reason, close your mind to conscious thought, stop trying to hold back and embrace your darkest impulses. |
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 10, 2005 3:43:12 GMT -5
was there a point to that or did you just like the way it sounded?
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Post by giantevilhead on Dec 10, 2005 4:13:52 GMT -5
All that stuff that makes us human and sane, it's just on the surface. We all have something like the Joker inside us, I would even go as far as to say that we have something worse than the Joker inside us, if you just dig deep enough.
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Post by brigante133 on Dec 10, 2005 15:22:57 GMT -5
okay but the difference is that joker shows. not everyones "molten heart of poisonous fire" shows. i still dont get your point, you ssay we all have something like the joker inside of us, yet you fail to realize that we are different becuase we don't execute those "hidden desires"
... you did you vote for? apokolyps!?! wtf?
id smite you if i had better sense but i think it'll be funnier to prod at you for longer.
so... GiantEvilHead, was this last vague post supposed to justify your previous bombastic one? or was it supposed to be an attempt to get in the last word? either way... it didn't
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Post by giantevilhead on Dec 10, 2005 16:25:51 GMT -5
We are different than the Joker because we didn't fall into a vat of mind altering chemicals that removes all inhibitions.
Oh and Apokolips is just evil. That is all it is, evil. All the rulers of Apokolips were influenced by the evil of the planet itself. The source of all the evil on Apokolips is Apokolips.
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