MOST EVIL VILLAIN... OF ALL TIME! (in-the-dcu)

Then what exactly does make Joker evil? You also seemed to have ignored my point that by removed all the inhibitions in any person, we could make that person as bad if not worse than the Joker.

As for Apokolips, it all depends on the nature of the planet. If it's just a chunk of rock that radiates evil then it's not a villain but if it does possess some level of sentience then there's no reason why it can't be a villain. The fact that not all the people on Apokolips is evil coupled with the fact that the rulers of the planet have always been the most evil ones suggests that the planet itself is somewhat sentient had has a will of its own and has a hand in guiding its own destiny.

A. It is not ridiculous statement at all. There have been many experiments into the more primitive parts of the human brain. I know psychology and you'd be surprised at what humans are capable of even without the removal of their inhibitions. It is not that hard to bring out the baser instincts of humans, sleep depravation, stress, group think, and orders from a perceived authority can easily cause humans to overstep the bounds of their civilized way of thinking. Just do a search of Philip Zimbardo’s Prison Experiment or Stanley Milgram’s study on obedience.

B. It is revealed in Kingdom Come (I believe) that the source of all the evil on Apokolips is Apokolips. A lot of questions about the Source? I asked one question which has yet to be answered. Information about the Source is very scarce. I know that the Source is where the New Gods get their power and I know that the Source has some kind of master plan and apparently that's all that is known about it.

A. I told you to do a search on those studies. If was trying to fool you I wouldn't have even talked about Zimbardo's prison experiment or Milgram's study on obedience. Milgram's experiment shows us how easily people can be manipulated into overstepping social boundaries and commit horrible inhumane acts. Evil is very subjective, there are many things that animals do that if they done by humans would be considered evil. Predatory animals have a habit of playing with their prey before killing and eating it. If a human were to do that we’d call him a sociopath and put him in a mental health institution. The removal of inhibitions from humans makes them act more like animals. It would make them derive pleasure from playing with their prey, killing, and raping. The very fact that we can be stripped of our inhibitions to become as bad as the Joker and the fact that there have been plenty of people in the past who had never had their inhibitions removed and were far worse than the Joker means that the Joker isn’t all that evil. The Joker is a chaotic and insane sociopath who derives pleasure based on the more animalistic instincts. Darkseid is just a force of unimaginable evil that is beyond the understanding of humans. What would Joker do if he could no longer laugh or take pleasure in the chaos he causes? You can't really be sure can you? He might stop, he might go even more insane. But if you took away Darkseid’s ability to feel pleasure in the spread of misery, suffering, and evil, you know that he would still continue because he would spread evil just for the sake of evil.

B. Does the idea of Apokolips being the source of all the evil on Apokolips contradict things Jack Kirby wrote or said?

did you pick a dandelion and blow on it fer a wish?

Butterflies are nice because nobody suspects the butterfly.

Eclipso--ever since he cut off Dr Bennett's fingers and told him make a phone call for help--issue 2???--you expect the Joker to be that way so over the years his sense of menace has diminished for me whereas Eclipso continues to surprise.

I apologize---it wasn't the Darkness Wihin series--it was in the regular ongoing that followed the mini--still think it's #2 but the set is the garage in boxes and not up to dealing with the cats getting out this late.

well i would say onomonopteia was pretty vile, didn't he singlehandedly take out every member of the GA family like they were leftover henchmen from batman's tv show?

Gonna have to go with the ANTI-MONITOR. While all of the others act evil, the Anti-Monitor WAS evil in its purest form. The Monitor and the Anti-Monitor are pretty much the same as saying "Good" and "Bad". Plus, what villain murdered more people than he did? He murdered literally universes of people.

Have I posted my favorite villain? I dunno, I checked and I don't think I have so here's mine. (It's kinda of obvious) Drum roll!

Cheshire! (Woo big surprise, eh?)

I like Cheshire because she's so brilliant and cunning! I'm mean, she attempted to black mail the world and she nuked a country! I think that deserves some recognition. Plus, her history is kinda cool.

I have to agree. Joker's portrayl in ROTJ was probably one of the best and most disturbed versions of the character ever.

I bet you did...

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ripped it off? or perfected the concept? i go with the latter.

sure, but joker kills for no reason at all sometimes!