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Post by Brandon on Jan 14, 2009 20:22:15 GMT -5
Barry's the man.
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Post by impulseallen on Jan 14, 2009 21:29:38 GMT -5
Yeah. I can't wait to see Barry and Wally's plan excecuted next issue. Though did anyone else catch the connection between Black Racer and the Black Flash? One in the same apparently. Or I guess they could be different aspects of Death...not entirely sure.
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Post by David on Jan 14, 2009 22:22:55 GMT -5
This could be the issue that sinks this series...  Or blows it into comics legend  ! I guess next issue will tell  . Kinda disappointing  . Or exhilarating ;D! I can't tell...  Frickin' Morrison  . |
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Post by goldk on Jan 15, 2009 8:47:39 GMT -5
Supermans job in the DCU is apparently to carry around all the dead.
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Post by David on Jan 15, 2009 8:57:55 GMT -5
Supermans job in the DCU is apparently to carry around all the dead. You made me laugh outloud--- at work! Exalt. |
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Post by Brandon on Jan 15, 2009 12:09:35 GMT -5
I just have no idea how all of these subplots are going to wrap up in a single issue.  |
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Post by Ammunition88 on Jan 15, 2009 12:23:25 GMT -5
I knew Bruce would be dying in FC but all I can say is, they'd better bring him back, and soon, or I'll personally show up and morrison's door and beat him senseless...... and then I'll beat didio just for good measure!
-Cam-
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Post by Merai on Jan 15, 2009 12:34:10 GMT -5
HOLY HELL!
I've got to say, if these deaths are permanent, I'm much more upset about Darkseid than Batman. All that build=up and he went out like a bitch.
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Post by Mr Clown on Jan 20, 2009 22:09:00 GMT -5
HOLY HELL! I've got to say, if these deaths are permanent, I'm much more upset about Darkseid than Batman. All that build=up and he went out like a bitch. Remind me to never click on a thread without reading the issue first, EVER AGAIN!!!  |
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Post by Merai on Jan 21, 2009 11:54:12 GMT -5
Oh God, I'm SO sorry, Clown.  I never even thought, because the post above had mentioned Bruce dying and I assumed... God I'm sorry. |
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Post by Brandon on Jan 21, 2009 12:32:39 GMT -5
As much as it's been posted around the blogs and news sites I'm more surprised he had gotten this far without it being spoiled. ;D
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Post by HoM on Jan 21, 2009 18:50:31 GMT -5
Don't worry, Mike's an idiot. |
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Post by Mr Clown on Jan 21, 2009 19:26:23 GMT -5
Don't worry, Mike's an idiot. I'm sorry I like tpb's over single issues Charlie... Jerk It's cool Merai, the thread warned of spoilers and I just wasn't expecting something like THAT in Final Crisis... Now go write some more New Gods stories.  |
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Post by HoM on Jan 21, 2009 19:31:23 GMT -5
Yeah Kevin! Oh, and I need to talk to you about something, Irish. Something... dangerous...
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Post by Zoom on Jan 21, 2009 20:37:08 GMT -5
Just read Superman Beyond. The last page.. wow.
owo
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Post by impulseallen on Jan 21, 2009 21:48:47 GMT -5
So the timeline for Supes in FC goes something like...
Daily Planet blows up.
Clark meets Monitor in Hospital.
Superman Beyond
Legion of 3 Worlds
Final Crisis #6?
I think that's how it should go but I'm not positive.
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Post by HoM on Jan 22, 2009 3:23:34 GMT -5
There were no red skies in Legion of 3 Worlds, so, like Rage of the Red Lanterns, I thought it was a Final Crisis miniseries in name only. I could be wrong...
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Post by Zoom on Jan 22, 2009 13:15:38 GMT -5
In Final Crisis 6, at the very start, the timeline of Supes in FC is explained.
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Post by HoM on Jan 22, 2009 13:40:56 GMT -5
Poorly. Red skies in Final Crisis #1, Superman leaves in... #2/3? and returns in #6.
In Legion of 3 Worlds #1, blue skies, they ask for his help, he comes a-running.
Can you see the way the timeline is tres confusing? But I'm sure it'll get resolved. Kinda sure. Maybe sure. Eep...
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Post by Zoom on Jan 22, 2009 20:00:26 GMT -5
Maybe because it's a possible future of 3? Y'know, he just doesn't travel 1000 years into the future, he travels to a possibility of one, before Darkseid really takes hold of earth. So, the future wasn't as solid as it could, leaving it with blue skies. Maybe if he had traveled later, he would've ended in a future were Darkseid won or something, with red skies.
Also, I think I read before that red skies were used in COIE so that everyone could see that this was happening at the same time, while in IC and FC they were just there because they looked good.
TL;TC ... TIME TRAVEL!!! Or something like that?
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Post by Brandon on Jan 22, 2009 23:33:53 GMT -5
Supes left and then returned at the same moment to Lois, and then presumably was summoned to the future before everything went to hell on Earth then to return in FC6. It's an annoying connection of extra events to FC (outside Superman Beyond which seems to be the only essential component). Beyond even seems like two events being smooshed together by Morrison. I enjoying both separately but now the villain in the last issue (after all the set-up with the New Gods) will be the Dark Monitor? Beyond seems more like an expansion of Grant's Crisis 2 way back in Animal Man while FC is a tribute and expansion on Kirby's 70s work at DC. I guess we'll have to wait and see how well it all ties together by the end of issue 7.
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Post by HoM on Jan 23, 2009 7:28:34 GMT -5
I so need to read Beyond #2, but isn't Mandrakk's return part of the reason Darkseid has returned too? With Mandrakk tearing apart reality, ripples are going out and all this bad crap is going down through the multiverse? So I still think Darkseid is going to be the big bad, as the world is still pretty much in the crapper, isn't it? I just can't wait to see the Green Lantern Corps do something |
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Post by Brandon on Jan 23, 2009 22:34:54 GMT -5
Was Darkseid set free because of the Dark Monitor's meddling or was the Dark Monitor set free because of Darkseid's descension into reality and making the big gravity well the Earths got sucked into? It's hard to tell at this point unless it was clarified somewhere else.
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Post by Brandon on Jan 31, 2009 13:15:07 GMT -5
Just in case... HERE THERE BE SPOILERS for Final Crisis #7! Alright, that's done. I think most of the folks here that know me are aware of the fact I'm a Grant Morrison fan, but I'll be the first to say that sometimes his work is insanely brilliant, sometimes it's too smart for its own good, sometimes it's a lot of moody vagaries acting at being more important than it really is, and sometimes it's a load of cool ideas (and some not-so-cool ones) that collide into an incomprehensible mess. I'm not sure exactly which one this issue was yet, but I do feel as if my brain has been run around in circles for a bit. Darkseid had one long slow death scene, Wonder Woman just kinda got over it (?), the Fifth World is mostly like the Fourth but now on Old Apokolips/New Genesis and some wacky new Forever People, the big honkin' Superman Squad arrived in time (along with the Pax Dei who seem to have gotten the message that existence was ending at the last second) just to watch the Green Lanterns do something really super simple, the Monitors decide to just watch themselves instead, the most incredibly complicated origin for the Kamandi Earth ever was played out, the human race were all ice cubes but then they weren't, Superman sang really hard and there was something about a bottle for the universe and a magic wish, and then everything was just okay in the end? Oh yeah, and there was that bearded dude scratching out a bat on the last page. I was really getting into this series and looking forward to this issue, but about halfway through it I think I realized that I wasn't really going to understand what was happening (as sometimes happens with Morrison's grand finales, something he admitted himself a long time ago) and had to just keep going. I felt the same about the second issue of Superman Beyond too. I loved the set-up and then it just went in a thousand directions at once. Hey, that last page was nice though. And now we are left with another hazy 'new status quo' ending that could take forever (or at least until the next big event) to play out. I still liked it better than Secret Invasion though.  |
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Post by impulseallen on Jan 31, 2009 13:37:35 GMT -5
I agree. That last issue, I barely knew what was happening lol. Loved the Barry and Wally scene though. I kinda wish I picked up Superman Beyond now...cause I don't know why Mandrak was there...also hated how Darkseid was sung to death. That was lame lol. I had a lot of hope for the issue and I think it was okay but could have been something a whole lot better...sigh...
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Post by Zoom on Jan 31, 2009 15:07:39 GMT -5
I loved it.
The internet is still in conflict, arguing if it sucked or what. I don't foresee it ending soon.
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Post by Brandon on Jan 31, 2009 22:15:25 GMT -5
Here's a pretty good review I found linked somewhere. I guess I was hoping more for just a good story instead of an allegory about good stories. A little more One Million and a little less Flex Mentallo. One of the things I like best about Morrison is that he's not afraid to experiment and attempt bold narratives. But a major company wide event that's been pumped up for well over a year isn't really the place to do it in my opinion. |
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Post by knightreaver on Feb 14, 2009 2:16:47 GMT -5
OK. Final Crisis. Read it all......My Brian pan hurts. No i mean it really really hurts. Reading this series was like trying to read Shake spear in Greek while hanging up side down by ones toe nails and getting all your teeth yanked out. All at the same time. Like WTF? Soo. Batman dies in Crisis. but he dies in R.I.P. huh. (getting up from my couch) The good guys won the day how? (Grabbing shot gun from closet) And who in the hell thought it would be a good idea and important to bring in Capt Carrot and his Zoo Crew. And then just have them stand there. (loading shot gun) Does this even play out in any of the other titles or is mentioned at all? ( pointing shotgun at head) And what was up with the dialog in the final issue. were all the heroes taking lessons from the new forever ppl or did Morrison forget who he was writing dialog for. (pulling trigger.) KABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!!!!!! Why the shot gun blast to the head...well because getting shot in the head would make my brain hurt a hell of a lot less then reading Final Crisis. |
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Post by Brandon on Feb 14, 2009 3:13:23 GMT -5
There were interviews with Morrison at both Newsarama and IGN a week or so back that were both pretty good. He explains what he was going for and why it played out like it did, and it did help quite a bit towards sorting it out and putting it all into context. (I'll link them back here if I can find them) And I appreciate the man's innovative and experimental spirit, this was just the wrong place for it to all play out. If you have to explain what your story meant you've missed your mark as a storyteller.
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Post by HoM on Feb 14, 2009 7:01:00 GMT -5
Going to have to agree. A "Crisis" event should be understandable and accessible to all, it's the big money series for a company. Sure, it helps to have names like Morrison, Jones, Pacheco etc working on the book but if you have to explain it... eh. I enjoyed it, but I can accept that it missed the mark a bit.
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I never even thought, because the post above had mentioned Bruce dying and I assumed...
