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Post by Admin on Aug 30, 2005 19:00:46 GMT -5
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Post by Admin on Sept 7, 2005 7:59:56 GMT -5
Any BoP fans out there? What'd'ja think of last issue, huh? I am swiftly becoming a Gail Simone devotee. She has single-handedly created the most consistently entertaining title in the DC2 (though Ed Benes and Joe Bennett have helped); the gang that BC assembled to take on the brothers was a neat concept, and really highlights her own place and standing in the legion of DC martial artists (plus her internal monologue makes her probably, the best written character in the DCU--- any arguments, there?)! Anyone else think that, after the last page of this issue, that the future holds a new role for Babs? Coincidentally, and this was planned weeks ago, before I read this issue, the Barbara Gordon Batgirl is the version we will be using in the DC2 title, The New Outsiders.
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 7, 2005 8:13:10 GMT -5
I got into BoP during BW:M. Almost dropped it during the Metamorpho arc, but stuck it out, and boyoboy am I glad I did! Gail Simone is the most consistently-good writer on any bat- or bat-related title I read. (I love Andy Gabrych over on Batgirl, but he's had a couple of weaker issues.)
I agree with your comments about BC. As for the last page of BoP, I think you could be right, but I hope Gail drags out the recovery a bit, rather than pulling a "Shondra Kinsolving" aka 'poof-you're-healed, now go retrain'. Did anybody read Marvel's New Mutants title back in the 80s? Remember when Dani got mauled by a bear? She spent a couple of issues in a wheelchair, then graduated to either crutches or a pair of canes, then a single cane which appeared intermittently for a number of issues. IIRC, it was about 6 issues real time, and several months comic time before she was back to normal--and that was after a mutant healer got in to see her.
I'd be fine if down the road Babs was out of the chair, but I don't know if it necessarily means she'd don spandex. IIRC, she'd hung up the Batgirl mantle months before Joker shot her in TKJ. And there's a far cry between being able to walk unaided and somersaulting off of skyscrapers.
Guess I'll wait and see, though. I trust Gail enough to watch where she goes with this.
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Post by HoM on Sept 7, 2005 11:14:55 GMT -5
SPOILER WARNING:
highlight below...
It's rumoured that Gail will be writing a new Batgirl series with Babs!
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Post by fatbatfan576 on Sept 14, 2005 10:04:40 GMT -5
I don't think that will happen because they alrwady have an established character in Cassandra Cain. Although, with Infinite Crisis coming who knows. Although Babs might just become a walking Oracle or Batwoman. Maybe the new batwoman in Batman Superman will be Babs.
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Post by HoM on Sept 14, 2005 10:26:55 GMT -5
shhh!
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2005 14:24:01 GMT -5
Hmmm..
All-Star Batman #2 didn't suck. Wasn't much there, but it didn't suck, at least...
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 14, 2005 15:55:21 GMT -5
I don't think its my cup of tea. I'll give it another chance next month, but that's it.
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Post by HoM on Sept 14, 2005 16:10:10 GMT -5
i have the first issue... and i may flick through this at my shop...
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 15, 2005 13:56:10 GMT -5
I posted this on the DCMB's:
I think next issue will be my last. I'm sorry. I guess this just isn't my cup of tea. There are a lot of minor things that jar me... and taken in isolation, I'll grant most of it is being nitpicky. But cumulatively, well:
1) Vicki seems to have an extremely limited vocabulary. Granted my only exposure to her has been post-Troika, pre-Knighfall. Maybe this is a throwback to earlier portrayals I never read. So. Let's say her name wasn't Vicki Vale. Suppose she was a totally new character, say "Jane Smith." Her speech patterns still grate on me. I.E, my beef isn't that I feel Vicki is OOC, it's that I don't like her character as currently portrayed.
Devils advocate : She's in shock, and not choosing her words carefully.
Rebuttal : Last issue didn't exactly grace us with any witty repartee on her part.
2) The final panel of the Vicki/Alfred scene looks more... romantic than it ought to.
Devil's advocate : I'm reading more into it than I should.
Rebuttal : Very possible. The panel still bugs me. I'm sorry.
3) Bruce figures the best way to help an emotionally traumatized boy is to scare the bejujus outta him, not let him deal with his grief, and verbally and physically abuse him?
I realize this is an alternate continuity... but I can't say I like this version.
I'm a creature of habit. Once I get used to buying a title, it takes a lot to make me drop it. Right now, I'm not so sure I want to get used to it.
I'm giving it one more issue to draw me in. If it doesn't, I'm gone.
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Post by fatbatfan576 on Sept 19, 2005 16:06:58 GMT -5
All Star Batman And Robin was actually pretty good in my opinon. Although, Batman was being very phycotic, I can see the reasons he was acting in this manner. For one, Bruce is trying to scare Dick so he doesn't end up like Bruce. My only qualms about it was the reptivness of the dialouge. Frank makes them say the same thing three times over, and the over use of the phrase 'I fly". Although this book seems pretty good, but I'll have see what the future titles are like. But there really should be more than this Plus what is wrong with Alfred and Vicky having a romantic pose? Although the characters might be out of character, this is just an alternate universe.
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Post by evilal on Sept 21, 2005 7:40:47 GMT -5
I posted this question on the DC message board but no-one wanted to reply to me . All Star is supposed to exist outside of regular continuity, but does it have its own internal continuity? Will future writers have to continue with Frank Miller's vision or will they be free to do their own thing and are the All Star versions of Batman and Superman supposed to exist in the same continuity. I guess what I'm asking is whether All-Star is an Ultimates style reboot or more like Legends of the Dark Knight, a sort of ongoing chain of mini-series. Anyway, I'm liking it so far... I think. I certainly find I can't wait to read the next one. In particular I want to see what Miller and Lee do with the villains, although I think I'll be waiting 'till at least issue 4! I think I will enjoy the series, as long as I remember its something new. I usually buy a complete story arc when I start purchasing a new book, so that I've given it a real chance to impress me. I will thus be reserving judgement until after issue 6. Having said that I gave up on Blood of the Demon after issue #3!
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Post by HoM on Sept 21, 2005 7:47:37 GMT -5
i know how they can make this run spectacular!
put Chuck Austen on it afterwards!
therefore... nothing to compare it with!
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Post by Brandon on Sept 21, 2005 16:34:41 GMT -5
Um, you're joking right, Charlie?
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Post by Brandon on Sept 21, 2005 16:40:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking that for the first year at least the stories will be self-contained in their own mythologies and not have a reason to crossover. But after a while if the books are doing well I bet we will see some expansion of the line and maybe closer ties to the other book (or books, by then).
I would have to say that they will pretty much have to keep somewhat of an internal continuity on the titles. If not you would pretty much be getting a kind of reboot everytime the creative team changed.
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Post by soulfly823 on Oct 22, 2005 2:31:27 GMT -5
I don't think Chuck Austen writes comics anymore. HE JUST DISAPPEARED? ?
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Post by HoM on Oct 22, 2005 6:58:02 GMT -5
Don't beat me, but I liked some of Chuck Austen's work. I'll jokingly take the mick, but I respect him, and I enjoyed his stories!
But him and Rob Liefeld on a book together!
IT'LL RUUUUULE!
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Post by Brandon on Oct 22, 2005 16:06:27 GMT -5
Chuck had so much controversy starting to surround him he probably had to change his name or something. Seriously, it seemed like he was getting all the big assignments there for a bit and then just dropped out of sight.
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Post by starlord on Nov 11, 2005 12:19:54 GMT -5
Did anybody read this last issue of LOTDK? I'm curious on what people thought. Personally I wasn't a fan of the Snow arc.
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Post by Black Canary on Nov 11, 2005 17:04:03 GMT -5
I can't actually recall ever reading an issue of LOTDK? You know, unless it was part of any title wide crossovers or anything.
Sorry. :-D
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Post by Dr Dread on Nov 11, 2005 19:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by starlord on Nov 11, 2005 21:56:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the laugh Doc! It came at just the right time.
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Post by HoM on Nov 12, 2005 3:34:55 GMT -5
"I'm Batma-" "I KNOW!"
Oh dread, you got me...
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Post by HoM on Nov 12, 2005 16:39:51 GMT -5
I'm only buying Batman if the art is Doug Mahnke. No two ways about it. Don't enjoy that other guy, no matter how good... Hmm...
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Post by evilal on Nov 13, 2005 11:36:51 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Snow either. It was too long. The basic premise was interesting, the "team of helpers" thing, but it was stretched too thin. And did we need another re-telling of Freeze's origin? I dip in and out of Legends, but I'm sticking with it until the end now, I gather its only going to be a few more issues. I thought the new story was quite promising. Decent introduction, we'll see where it goes. I like Will Pfeifer on Catwoman. I mean he's no Ed Brubaker... But then who is?
Apart from Ed Brubaker I mean.
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Post by Black Canary on Nov 13, 2005 15:16:26 GMT -5
Ed's Catwoman was great, but Will's isn't bad either. He's written her well, so far. Loving Pete Wood's art on her, though. It's much more to my liking that Gulacy's was, personally.
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Post by starlord on Nov 13, 2005 18:24:27 GMT -5
Hmm, am I to understand then that LOTDK is being cancelled? Is it being replaced with anything?
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Post by evilal on Nov 14, 2005 5:12:01 GMT -5
I forget all the details and it may not be true anyway... But as part of the post IC fallout the Bat books are going to get a bit of a shake up [in terms of production as well as plot!]. My understanding is that both Legends and Gotham Central are for the chop, but both are to be replaced with new books. Presumably the new ones will be along similar lines. I think the current, "Legend" may be the penultimate storyline, so at least the book will make it to issue 200. I think the change is as much a re-branding exercise as anything else. Bad news about GC though -> albeit not at all surprising. I think DC have wanted rid of it for a while now. No, thats not fair... I think that DC recognises that it makes commercial sense to stop it and replace it with something with a wider appeal. But its difficult to cancel something that has just won Eisners AND is a pet project of one of your top writers! So they drove away Ed Brubaker and of course Greg Rucka doesn't have the time to write all the issues on his own.
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Post by evilal on Nov 14, 2005 5:41:13 GMT -5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo! I just heard about Gotham Knights getting cancelled. I'm a long term Batman fan, but the last couple of years Knights and Central are the only Bat-books I've really been enjoying! Well... and Nightwing. Nightwing is fun. And 'TEC is good too, but since City of Crime is a pre-wargames tale its difficult to get too involved. Its not going to move the characters forward. Maybe they're just going to relaunch Gotham Knights... and bring back Devin Grayson. Yeah... that must be it.
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Post by HoM on Nov 14, 2005 10:25:45 GMT -5
There is going to be a new Batman series called Batman: Classified... Who knows what that'll be (I'm thinking it'll basically be LOTDK but in the vein of JSA and JLA: Classified *slaps head* duh...
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