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Post by Admin on Aug 30, 2005 19:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 14, 2005 14:10:51 GMT -5
I'd like to believe this cup is half full. At least Dick does a half-way credible job of persuading Slade to take a chance on him.
Good:
Best line: (Slade) "I mean, really Grayson, only a circus boy would run away and join the Mafia."
Bad:
However, when Slade tells Dick to train Rose the Ravager... what's her first exercise? Resuce Sophia Tevis.
Next move? Try to fob her off on Helena.
Good:
Helena telling Dick that Babs misses him.
Bad:
Dick is going to 'look after' Sophia.
Rose has feelings for Dick, as well.
Waffling:
Dick's whole speech to Slade. Actually not badly done. If we hadn't had the angst-fest of the last couple years, I'd be more enthused. And there is the chance that he's playing Slade.
As it is, I'll say that this is probably the best Devin's been in months. Compared to what I was dreading, this is decent. But I honestly don't know if she's going to follow it up next month with anything as decent, or better. And I don't know how many of us will stick around to read it if she does.
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Post by Admin on Sept 14, 2005 14:16:06 GMT -5
I've been thinking about picking up this title, but I don't like the direction it's going (just boring) and I haven't heard a single good thing about Devin Grayson (though, nice bit of serendipity, that!).
Any suggestions?
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 14, 2005 14:39:45 GMT -5
Wait for Devin's run to end. Read fanfiction in the meantime. And I mean that sincerely. That's how I developed a lot of my feel for the character. Also, any time that you hear of NW guesting in a different book, pick it up. Usually the other writers get him right.
I do actually owe Devin a bit of gratitude, though. See, up to now, most of my fics have been reactive, not proactive. In other words, I'd read a comic and then think "If I had the reins of the book, how would I do the next scene?" Devin's inspired more than half my porfolio to date.
I'm not saying this to be snarky. Brubaker's CW run (during WG) also gave me a hook. But this is one reason that I haven't dropped the title. I can't exactly recommend it at this stage in the game.
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Post by HoM on Sept 14, 2005 16:11:49 GMT -5
i picked up the first issues till... the issue Deathstroke appears.
if it has a crossover logo on the cover it'll be in my box, if not, i will not pick this up
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Post by evilal on Sept 22, 2005 6:24:46 GMT -5
Re: I haven't heard a single good thing about Devin Grayson
Well... Your about to.
I love Devin Grayson's writing. I think she's always had great insight into all the Bat-characters, Oracle in particular. I also happen to think that she has Dick Grayson more or less perfect. Dick was the character that first interested Devin in writing comics. Apparently she saw an episode of one of the Batman cartoons with Dick and Bats in the Batmobile and got hooked on the relationship between the two of them.
For me, Devin Grayson did a fabulous job on Gotham Knights, laying the foundations for a book that has been my favourite Bat-title ever since I started buying it around issue #15. In particular the stories surrounding the adoption captured the Bruce/Dick relationship perfectly [+ in my book the involvement of Ra's never hurts!].
For a long time I wasn't able to get ahold of her Nightwing run, but I found most of it at a comics fair the other month. Again, I have really enjoyed Devin's take on the character.
I know that Dragonbat doesn't like 'angsty Nightwing' but as far as I can see Dick Grayson has been 'angsty Dick' for about 25 years now, ever since Batman first tried to fire him. I just read The Judas Contract the other week and can clearly see that Devin is writing the same character as Marv Wolfman was in 1983. The recent storyline in particular. Both feature a Dick Grayson who abandons his responsibilites so that he can 'reinvent' himself. Both feature a Dick Grayson who fears that he is not the force for good he once was. Both feature Dick extending sympathy towards women who clearly don't deserve it [Terra/Tarantula and now Rose] and both feature a healthy respect between Dick and Deathstroke. Yet the actual plotlines are completely different. I see Dick as a fundamentally insecure person who never has quite moved out from 'The Shadow of the Bat'. He only really seems happy when being Batman's partner or big brother to the other Bat-kids.
I have a big gap in my knowledge as I've not read very much of Chuck Dixon's Nightwing stuff. Maybe Chuck wrote the character differently I don't know. But Devin Grayson seems to have him right to me.
Finally... For those who haven't tried any of Devin's work I recommend picking up Ra's al Ghul year one. A really interesting concept plus it features Ra's one last time... Maybe.
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Post by dragonbat on Sept 22, 2005 8:24:00 GMT -5
Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Al. Count me among those who loved her Gotham Knights run. Some of my favorite stories ever are those that she wrote for that book.
Having said that, I feel that her run on NW is subpar. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. Sorry. Angst has been a component of NW's character for a very long time. But, under Devin's pen, the angst has taken centre stage.
Nightwing's detective skills are supposed to rival Batman's. He's a superb fighter. So... why does he repeatedly get conked on the head, and manage to hold his own, only among the lower echelons of opponents? Why, in a city where the corruption started at the top and trickled down, wouldn't he make a back-up disk of Blockbuster confessing to ordering Mouse and Giz to blow up his apartment, before confronting the DA.
Why would he give Tarantula the time of day after she (as far as he knew) tried to kill Barbara?
Even before the current (2 years and counting) arc, Dick was using his head less (except as a brickbat magnet) and his fists more. The only time that Devin altered that status quo was when he paid off Deathstroke rather than fight him.
I love to cook. I think of angst sort of like cilantro: it has its part, and, when properly used, is extremely effective. But if you get the proportions wrong, it completely overpowers and ruins the dish. Although you could argue this about any ingredient, cilantro's trickier than most. Put it this way: a stew won't be ruined if you accidentally put in six potatoes instead of four. It could be ruined if you put in 3/4 of a cup of cilantro instead of 1/2 cup.
Of course it does come down to a matter of taste. ;D
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Post by evilal on Sept 24, 2005 3:43:32 GMT -5
Re: Nightwing's detective skills are supposed to rival Batman's. hmmm... yes I'll admit I've not read much recently that would support this statement! I do agree with you on this one. If my cat was lost and I had to choose one of the junior bats to put on the case, I think I'd pick Tim Drake based on the evidence of the last couple of years. Dick hasn't seemed like the brightest bulb in the box. The lack of a back-up disk was a bit dumb and paying off Deathstroke WAS his intellectual highlight of the last couple of years. And as for Tarantula well... All you lady Nightwing fans seem to think he has bad taste in women  . And there do seem to be quite a lot of you! |
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Post by starlord on Nov 13, 2005 6:12:34 GMT -5
Well I just finished the latest Nightwing and my reaction was about the same as the last several issue's. <yawn>
It really doesn't take much to please me when it comes to a comic book story, but I just don't get it when it comes to Grayson. In my humble opinion, there is no way I could ever buy the fact that he has turned "renegade". Not without something much much larger hitting his life. Although rape is pretty large I guess.
I really feel like dropping this title but since I've got every issue since the first, I really don't want to do that.
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 13, 2005 6:44:24 GMT -5
Hang on another 3 months. #117 is Devin's last issue.
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Post by starlord on Nov 13, 2005 6:56:15 GMT -5
I didn't know that! Thanks dragonbat for throwing this old...er man a life jacket.  Really not trying to be mean I just think that it is time for some new blood. Have you heard anything on who is going to replace her? |
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 13, 2005 7:58:13 GMT -5
Bruce Jones is slated to write "an ongoing NW title". No idea whether this means the series is getting a reboot to #1, whether NW will no longer be Dick Grayson, or whether he's taking over the book.
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Post by starlord on Nov 13, 2005 8:33:57 GMT -5
Bruce Jones is slated to write "an ongoing NW title". No idea whether this means the series is getting a reboot to #1, whether NW will no longer be Dick Grayson, or whether he's taking over the book. I hope Dick stays on as Nightwing. That would be very depressing if he left. I had heard that several books were possibly going to be rebooted. I was keeping my fingers crossed that Nightwing...and the JSA...wouldn't be some of them. <sigh> |
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Post by brigante133 on Nov 13, 2005 20:24:20 GMT -5
i can imagine it now jason todd as the new Nite-wing ;D
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Post by Dr Dread on Nov 13, 2005 20:41:47 GMT -5
i can imagine it now jason todd as the new Nite-wing ;D It'll be the first time any comic company would have a "dial-in to kill the main character and cancel the series" event! |
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Post by brigante133 on Nov 14, 2005 0:20:57 GMT -5
tsshh no one can kill jason todd with a phone, i think dc has proven that.
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 14, 2005 7:05:11 GMT -5
Well... Jean Loring might beg to differ...
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Post by starlord on Nov 14, 2005 7:15:04 GMT -5
You know this is a little off subject, but since you mentioned Jean. I'm still holding out that Jean dies in all of this and becomes the Specter! I just think that is a really cool idea. On top of that, Atom could go around saying that he was once married to the Specter. LOL. talk about some double takes!  |
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 14, 2005 7:57:52 GMT -5
Corrigan in Gotham Central is the current favorite for that role.
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Post by starlord on Nov 14, 2005 8:05:57 GMT -5
yah, that is what I heard too. I was just thinking out loud. A female Specter...it could be different and entertaining. I don't read Gotham Central so I am un-framilliar with the character.
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Post by dragonbat on Nov 14, 2005 8:13:31 GMT -5
He's relatively minor. He's a dirty cop. But the original Spectre was also surnamed 'Corrigan'. BTW, it's well worth picking up Gotham Central. I only started because 1) people kept recommending it (and they were right!) but also 2) I needed background info and a feel for a couple of the characters for "Locked". Now, I'm hooked. So of course, the series wraps at issue 40.  |
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Post by brigante133 on Nov 14, 2005 10:21:34 GMT -5
they should return the spectre to being badass and stuff. i'd like to see the wrath of god again. since jordan became him (it all seems like so long ago now) he was like green lantern and green arrows personal mentor. i looked at stuff he used to be like and was like, DAMN. he would throw cars against cliffs... after crumbling them no less. i know dc wants to lighten things up but still, it'd be cool to see a bloody spectre.
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Post by Black Canary on Nov 14, 2005 11:42:25 GMT -5
Dragonbat, I think the original Spectre's full name was Jim Corrigan.
And given that GC is going to be cancelled....it could happen.
Although the thought of Brucie as Spectre tickles me pleasantly.
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Post by starlord on Nov 14, 2005 12:16:32 GMT -5
I do agree that Bruce Wayne as Specter would be a hoot, but do you think it would last very long? Or eventually do you think he would go right back to being Batman again?
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Post by Black Canary on Nov 14, 2005 12:43:00 GMT -5
They'd keep him as Spectre for a year or two, and then they would go on ahead and bring someone else in.
Another thought just struck me. Is there any way they could make Jason Todd Spectre?
That'd be a twist of sorts.
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Post by starlord on Nov 14, 2005 14:01:02 GMT -5
Oh now that would be pretty sweet! Hadn't thought of that. Good call. Maybe somebody should do a poll and see who get's it right. Maybe even have a prize for those who choose wisely. Of course that would be up to someone in administration. ;D |
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Post by Lantern Lad on Jan 18, 2006 20:29:53 GMT -5
Issue #119...
Cool issue... the best in quite a while. You start seeing shades of Batman Jr. in some of Dick's behavior here. Does Superman & Nightwing's relationship strike anyone else as odd? Has he always called Supes 'Kal'? Anyway, I thought it was a cool issue, sad to see Dick's final days though... He will be missed.
One question though that bewilders me:
What the hell did the cover have to do with the story? I felt like they strapped the wrong cover on the issue. Anyone have any inside info? I mean he mentions Slade once or twice, but that's it...
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Post by Dr Dread on Jan 18, 2006 23:08:18 GMT -5
Does Superman & Nightwing's relationship strike anyone else as odd? Has he always called Supes 'Kal'? Actually, Nightwing's second closest relationship (after Bats) was with Superman. He even called himself Nightwing due to Superman (although that doesn't exist in our current reality). It doesn't surprise me, it's actually a nice throw back to the silver age. |
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Post by brigante133 on Jan 18, 2006 23:51:51 GMT -5
i thought his second closest was with barbara? kory? stalker Tim? Alfred?
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Post by Dr Dread on Jan 19, 2006 0:38:14 GMT -5
i thought his second closest was with barbara? kory? stalker Tim? Alfred? Okay, I meant as a mentor/teacher/student thingy. |
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. And there do seem to be quite a lot of you!
Really not trying to be mean I just think that it is time for some new blood. Have you heard anything on who is going to replace her?
