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Post by batkid on Apr 15, 2007 16:29:02 GMT -5
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Post by HoM on Apr 15, 2007 16:35:39 GMT -5
I think ASBARTBW is a parody on modern comics. Deconstructed story telling, major Bendisian decompression, all the hallmarks of Marvel. I reread Year One and DKR, and it's basically the same character, only filtered through different eyes. I like how Miller can reimagine his own writings to suit different eras.
But that's just me.
And Ramon.
Maybe.
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Post by batkid on Apr 15, 2007 17:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by HoM on Apr 15, 2007 17:12:36 GMT -5
ASBARTBW All Star Batman And Robin, The Boy Wonder  |
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Post by HoM on Apr 15, 2007 17:13:06 GMT -5
Bendisian... Wow. I sounded all scholarly then  |
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Post by Crow on Apr 15, 2007 17:24:21 GMT -5
Interesting insight Charlie/Ramon. I have yet to read that series. But I am usually an anti Bendis person. Miller always has something going on in the back of his head.
If I could pick a category, I say that the worst comic moments are the useless deaths for market reasons and then the tedious and monotonous times they are resurrected... but since I'm supposed to narrow it down, I'll also throw in the storyline from the X-Men when Morrison was forced to make Magneto into Xorn, because that whole mistaken identity part was too confusing. Totally screwed up X-Men writers.
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Post by batkid on Apr 15, 2007 19:32:54 GMT -5
Let me add this..... I'm not sure what to think of Diana now. Or should I say, 'Agent Prince'. Pa-LEEASE.... glasses? Again? Is DCU obcessed or what? And it is kinda weird.... I think I like that Batman they did, though..... But, if I ever decide that I REALLY don't like the whole Agent Prince thing, then that'll have to go downa as a bad comic moment.
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Post by HoM on Apr 16, 2007 14:29:31 GMT -5
...when Morrison was forced to make Magneto into Xorn, because that whole mistaken identity part was too confusing. Totally screwed up X-Men writers. It was always Morrison's plan to have Xorn be Magneto. It didn't help that Austen immediately after New X-Men ended had ANOTHER Xorn arrive. They screwed it up completely, and Marvel didn't want Magneto dead, so eXcalibur and others debuted, REVEALING the "true" story. Ballacks. |
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Post by Crow on Apr 16, 2007 14:38:06 GMT -5
Yeah! And to this day, I don't believe the explanations they gave as to how and why Xorn "usurped" Magneto's identity. It was a weak and spiritless explanation that I don't even feel like posting.
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Post by dragonbat on Apr 16, 2007 15:25:50 GMT -5
I'm copypasting a rant of mine that sums up Gotham Knights #74. I'm actually still steamed...
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Post by dragonbat on Apr 16, 2007 15:42:55 GMT -5
Batman #644--Leslie Thompkins revealed as Steph's killer.
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Post by michealdark on Apr 20, 2007 0:33:18 GMT -5
Batman #644--Leslie Thompkins revealed as Steph's killer. As if the War cycle wasn't bad enough...they lure you into thinking that at least Stephy died peacefully-or as peacefully as one can given what she wwent through-from her injuries,what with Bruce comforting her and assuring her that she wasn't a mistake and she was part of the legacy...only to screw you over with the knowledge that actually she was stable. She could have recovered. She could have been fine. But no,Leslie got fed up with the kids in the costumes getting hurt and all the crime wars,so she decided to punish Bruce and make an example at the same time by not doing her job as a doctor...a job she devoted her everything to! |
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Post by Mischief on Apr 20, 2007 20:18:58 GMT -5
The whole X'orn thing after Morrison left was stupid. The editors at Marvel really dropped the ball with that. Bringing Norman Osborn back from the dead. Anytime Wasp goes back to Hank Pym after he slapped her around.
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Post by michealdark on Apr 20, 2007 21:42:51 GMT -5
Batgirl's turn. Yet another Dan Didio authorized screw-over,but unlike some of them like Tara's death or Cheshire's love child with Blake,this one was dumped on a brand new writer without any sense of what to do with it,and the story that came out of it ended up being a steaming pile of horseshit that Geoff Johns and said writer are only JUST NOW trying to rectify.
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Post by HoM on Apr 21, 2007 4:56:19 GMT -5
The whole X'orn thing after Morrison left was stupid. The editors at Marvel really dropped the ball with that. Bringing Norman Osborn back from the dead. Anytime Wasp goes back to Hank Pym after he slapped her around. Mischief I'm not condoning wife beating, but he hit her once and he was mentally unstable. He admitted that, and went for help, didn't he? And he's never done it again. Beyond handled that pretty well, with Hank being looked down on by all these other heroes, even though he's proven himself time and again. Now, Ultimate Hank? THERE'S a bastard! |
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Post by Mischief on Apr 21, 2007 5:59:13 GMT -5
Well at the end of Civil War Hank Pym being named Man of the Year??? I guess the three geniuses never had to deal with clone's like Spidey did. Reed, Hank and Tony created a clone of Thor and the world name Hank Man of the Year. That is the biggest WTF moment. I hope that when Atlantis Attacks, those heroes he forced to register decide to call in sick and take their vacation time when the Hulk rampages thru the Marvel Universe. And once you hit your wife your labelled a wife beater. Plus he created Ultron with his brain pattern too. Don't let me write Mighty Avengers...I'll just kill Yellowjacket in a stupid and funny way too.
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Post by michealdark on Apr 21, 2007 15:32:56 GMT -5
With IC and the build up to it,they moved Power Girl and Donna into the position of being the two most important women in the DCU. Geoff's kept Karen's ball rolling by making her chair of the JSA,while everyone else has just dropped Donna like a cockroach covered pancake! And no,Donna being WW does not count as a promotion or as character developement,it counts as STUPID!
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Post by timdrake on Apr 21, 2007 15:37:12 GMT -5
She's going to be in another leader position in Countdown according to Paul Dini, and she will most likely be on a new team alongside Nightwing, Flash, and Firestorm, among others.
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Post by michealdark on Apr 21, 2007 15:51:36 GMT -5
Well at least that's a start. Between IC and Countdown though we've had a few very sporadic guest and ann ill-fated plan to have her take over Diana's position. That's not really elevating her to the levels it looked like they were going to
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Post by jrfan133 on Apr 30, 2007 16:37:55 GMT -5
Trampantula. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I read the title.
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Post by arcalian on Apr 30, 2007 17:42:55 GMT -5
Trampantula. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I read the title. EXALT. |
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Post by michealdark on Apr 30, 2007 22:30:03 GMT -5
Took this from the "Changes Since the 80's" thread in the Titans section of the Comic Bloc. It's my response to it.
While I have my issues with how Raven's been characterized(for me,if she were to strike a balance between modern Raven and classic Raven,I'd be a very happy Raven fan. I have not problem with her modernizing a bit,but she has to keep some of the stuff that's made her character a classic too),the WORST changes are Slade's. Beyond a shadow of a doubt!
This is NOT the man we all know and loved(to loathe). Slade was never a "good" man,that's for sure. But he always tried to be a good father,loved his kids dearly,threw Rose onto Roy's team because he blamed himself so much for Grant and Joey's deaths and was so fearful that if she associated herself with him it would happen to her,and always followed a very strict code of ethics. For a while there he was a great ally to the team,respected them quite a bit,and was a better father to Gar than Steve generally was. He was someone that even with his flaws and his more unscrupulous actions you could still respect and even in some ways look up to. What he's become now is something not just alienating and unrelatable,but something that makes you kinda ill with how off-character it is. He's done a 180 and then some. He went from respecting and being friendly to the Titans to actively trying to kill them,used Rose after drugging her,drugged Batgirl,and worst of all was one of the main parties to the destruction of Bludhaven(when only a few years before he was chastising and being uber-pissed at Cheshire for blowing up Qarac! It's the same goddamn situation,only with a smaller land area!)!
Speaking of Cheshire,I also am not a big fan of some of the things that have happened to her of late. Granted Jade's never been as level-headed as Slade and never will be(let's face it...while Jade's most certainly LEGALLY sane in that she knows full well what she does and that it's wrong,there's something clinically very,very wrong with her),she has always had her own personal ethical code too(then again her form of ethics isn't like Slade's. Slade'll flat turn down a contract if it doesn't sit with him. Jade'll take any contract,but if she finds her employer detestable or wrong in some way,she'll poison them later on,then probably tear out their intestines and hang them with 'em).
Okay,I drifted off track for a second because that's not the characterization problems she's having. In those respects she still is the same old Cheshire. For me it's her basically stabbing Lian in the back. Jade doesn't care about much,but rather she want to admit it or not,Lian has been the one constant in her life even from afar. And it also doesn't sit well with me after the concern she showed when, when they were recruiting her into the Secret Six,they first told her they'd planted that little bomb in Lian's brain and were gonna make her vegitable if Jade didn't comply. Then again,when/if they ever explain her motivations she'll probably say she did it because she figured that they would do it regardless of what she did,which I'll except because that probably is what she thought. It's clichè,but it's a clichè that works pretty much every time.
And that said,depsite this problem Gail still writes the best Jade in a decade.
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Post by michealdark on May 1, 2007 20:21:37 GMT -5
With no disrespect to male heroes that die in DC,lately there's been a bender with female characters dying,especially on the Titans;and while they have been given heroic deaths(or rather...they've been dying AS heroes rather than senselessly turned),they haven't been getting the big send-off many of the male heroes have...
Yes I am making an inference there. Think about it for a second.
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Post by jrfan133 on May 2, 2007 22:40:03 GMT -5
Trampantula. That's the first thing that came to my mind when I read the title. EXALT. Well, thank you! And michaeldark, could you be more blunt? I'm not good at picking up on inferences. I thought it was pretty funny when I scanned through WW3 and saw Terra die. Again. Does that make me a bad person? |
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Post by arcalian on May 2, 2007 23:02:25 GMT -5
No, but it earns you a smite that takes away the exalt.  |
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Post by HoM on May 3, 2007 14:12:30 GMT -5
But it gains an exalt to replace Jay's terrifying turn of face  |
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Post by arcalian on May 3, 2007 15:28:07 GMT -5
Ha. Haha.
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Post by jrfan133 on May 3, 2007 19:19:58 GMT -5
LOL!
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Post by michealdark on May 3, 2007 21:09:04 GMT -5
Well, thank you! And michaeldark, could you be more blunt? I'm not good at picking up on inferences. I thought it was pretty funny when I scanned through WW3 and saw Terra die. Again. Does that make me a bad person? I'm saying to me Dan Didio might be a sexist. Not because he's killing women off,but because there's been a lot of them as of the past few years,which given that females naturally have a smaller percentage in the DCU as with most comic companies...while the men might be dying in larger volume,it makes the women's fatality rate naturally seem proportionally larger,and given the fact Dan seems to view female deaths as just a plot device and throw-away moments,leaving the grand heroic deaths as something strictly for the guys |
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Post by HoM on May 4, 2007 11:18:04 GMT -5
I don't think we can accuse him of being SEXIST. I think that MIGHT be an exageration, but I can see where you're coming from! If I were a woman in the DCU, I'd be a tad worried |
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