Justice League of America

I have a feeling Terra 3's mini will be about as well received as Battle for Bludhaven.

Sick and twisted? Not in the way you mean. No more so than, say, 90% of the paid comic book industry writers seem to be these days. See, I have the opposite perspective. I think there's been too much death. I think there was no need for Infinite Crisis. I think we should have a moratorium on killing characters for a good five years at least. I think DC is too much like Marvel already. I think we've seen more than enough of the "lets kill characters or horribly alter them for the sake of shock/short term sales/keep things fresh/make things real" to last a lifetime. I stopped reading comics because I'm sick to death of that. I have this funny idea that superhero comics should be trying to get away from the misery and death of the real world, not wallowing in it. I think real life provides all the tragedy we need. That's also one of the reasons I'm here. Where I have a chance to do it right.

The former yes, and am aware of the latter. Not happy with either. Even less happy that they brought back Jason Todd as a villain.

Heh. You just love saying things I love to disagree with.

I love Jason as a villain. I hate everyone knowing it's Jason, but I love this new Status Quo. Best thing the character did since dying.

Well if the Golden Age for comics is what many people look to when they read comics??? Remember during World War 2, they had a cover with Superman, Batman, and Robin throwing baseballs at the 'Axis of Evil' was it right, by today standards, no. Comic books reflection the times. I believe that comics needed to be revelant to be better. Stan Lee and Marvel proved that in the 60's with Fantastic Four and Spider-Man. The creators challenged the heroes and the fans would read how the characters over came not just the villian of the month but their own personal situations. In Identity Crisis, I believe that Brad Meltzer attempted to show that after the big fights that the Justice League had back in the day, what happened afterwards. The big three went back to their respective corners and left the clean up to other members. But at one point or another, the characters evolve and in the case of Roy Harper, the character gets better and maybe just maybe some kid that read that issue may have stayed away from drugs because of that story. But you can only suspend belief for so long before it is no lnger any good. Batman defeats Joker and Joker goes to jail. Joker gets out and that same song and dance. That gets boring. So that is why I love Judd Winick's stories because they are controversal.

Well I know that I can't wait for the next issue of Brad Meltzer's run.

Mischief

Cheif, there's a difference between relevant and potinlessly tragic. Comics crossed that line a long time ago. Do I want to go back to the golden age word by word and blow by blow? Of course not; first of all I can't, and second even if I could, I'd have to throw out too many characters, including a lot of the ones I like. But the SPIRIT of the golden age, in terms of how characters were handled? Oh yes. I know what they're doing works for you, that's why you're still reading comics, and why DC2 is the only "Comics" I have.

Charlie, now you're putting words in my mouth. If I thought you were a terrible person, I'd say so. I think you're contrary, at least where my posts are concerned. As for Jason's characterization making sense, see what I said to Chief last post about "logic."

I know you've got skill at writing as Chief does at being an artist. Chief, I'm reasonably sure, will sooner or later run into an Editorial policy he doesn't like, and then he'll be in the same boat as me. You, I'm not so sure about. But from your perspective, that's a good thing, as it means you'll never be dissapointed. I stopped buying comics, at least so long as Didio is in charge, and for me that's the only thing I could do.

NOT here at the DC2, Chief. Leastways that's not what I meant. For me this IS my comics now, this is the part of the multiverse/megaverse/whatever I esaped to. I mean the officially published stuff.

Wolfman and Perez wanted to shock the fans. They did. They wanted people to think Tara 1 was like Kitty Pride. She wasn't. They wanted people to think she would be redeemed. She wasn't. Wolfman was okay with Tara 2, and saw some interesting interaction potential for her, so long as she was not Tara 1 ressurected. Perez was gone by then, but he did come back and ink her Team Titans origin story over Jiminez's pencils. Then Zero Hour, or more specifically the guy who was editing Titans immediately after Zero Hour, screwed it up. (Didn't we cover this ground already?)

Needless to say, as I'm the one writing DC2 Tara, things will go very differently.

I don't see the big deal about "Red Arrow", and the whole weeping because Roy was given a red Green Arrow costume. I understand why they would do it, but Roy already wore a modified Green Arrow costume circa "The Technis Imperative" so... It's been done. And there was no weeping. Sure, Hal and Ollie were dead, but do you see where I'm coming from? Isn't it forcing the sentiment slightly?

Thoughts?

Why not. Why not graduate to the premier super team? Should a character not grow and evolve??? IMO, Donna Troy, Roy Harper and Dick Grayson are pretty much the very few that have evolved past the days of being just sidekicks to their mentors.

Mischief

I think that move Titans graduating to the League. Dick and Donna will never be on the team as long as Bats and Wondy are still there. But I think Tempest and some others would of been good for the team.

I remember that the big three wanted Cyborg and Power Girl on the team, before the Hal and the other did the electing of League members. I love that the big three realize and know that the league is bigger than the three of them.

Maybe the League should have founding members charter like the Avengers did when Busiek and Perez relaunched Avengers Volume 3. The Founder were the controling body that put together the core team. I remember the founders were Iron man, Giant-Man, Wasp, Thor and Captain America. Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America stayed on. Ms. Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye. Vision was on the team but was being rebuilt, Wonder Man was being revived and Justic and Firestar were reserved members.

Maybe that should be done with the League or just Stan Lee it all and dump the originals expect for one and introduce new heroes to the team or B and C string characters.

But I agree with you that more of them should of graduated and more new teens should join the Titans to fill the void there.

Mischief

The only group I see as a moveable feast are the Outsiders. There is no fixed group anymore for that lot, you can throw in CM3 one day, and then have Jade out the other, you know?

But Titans are Titans and Leaguers are Leaguers. There are some exceptions, and they're normally first generation sidekicks.

Not that it wouldn't be cool to see an all change Justice League, ala "BWHAHA!", I guess. Have some new blood in there! I'm not a long time reader like Dave, Scott and Brandon etc, so I'm not up to date completely with my satellite era (I'm familiar, but I have no issues containing them) and I see Meltzer is bringing that back, but then again, I'd prefer to see a JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED approach

Oh DAMN.....

Oh ZING.....

Ignore those jokers, Jay.

(Besides, behaving like jackasses to one another is how they show affection. On the bright side, this means they really like you. On the not-so-bright-side, this means they really like you).

Oh come on Jay! We love havin' you around man! We just like to joke with you about Terra because... well you are so into Terra and it's fun to poke at people who have such strong affinities for third string characters... Like Charlie and his unhealthy obsession with that dog that would hang around with 'Mazing Man...