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Post by starlord on Apr 16, 2006 19:06:07 GMT -5
After reading your comments, I was reading this last weeks books, and I found it interesting that in two of their one year later adds they had to show the panel where Ted's brains were blown out, and the panel where Dianna snaps Max's neck. It made me stop and think of what we have seen so far in this series.
In all actuality, there has been only one death not played for the graphic shock value of it-Superboy's. Although I do have to admit that Star Sapphire's death actually made me laugh out loud. It was just too funny, but maybe I have a sick sense of humor.
But I think you have a very valid point. Look at the deaths and the violence that we have seen. All have been very graphic (Pantera's losing her head, Risk losing his arm, Alexander getting his digit chopped off), it doesn't seem to be needed. Was the first Crisis like this and I just don't remember???
And from what I've seen of OYL so far, it doesn't seem that on a whole, the world is a much brighter place. Of course that maybe just my Nightwing anger talking.
Don't get me wrong, I love DC and still find it very entertaining, but I'm not seeing a bright and clear future yet for the DC Universe in general.
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Post by Brandon on Apr 16, 2006 21:36:27 GMT -5
I've heard about that ad, B. It seems like it's saying, "if you think THAT's shocking, wait till you see the other contrived and senselessly violent stories we've got coming up!"
I think the most graphic thing in the first Crisis was Brainiac blasting Psimon's brain bowl. There were other deaths but nothing really graphic. It just seems odd to me that the story begins being so condemning up past stories told for gimmick and shock value, and this series turns out to the the biggest one yet.
There is no bigger red flag to me to stop and give closer scrutiny to a story than when it starts throwing overt and graphic violence at me. What is the writer making up for? I have no doubts that Geoff Johns is a good and capable writer, but was this story too big for him? Was the hype too much to live up to? Were there too many fingers in the pot? Somewhere it's fallen short and I see the shock and awe violence as an attempt make people think they are getting more bang for their bucks.
It's funny that Johns spent so much time do clean up work from Zero Hour in JSA and now has seemingly repeated the event. Continuity may come out a little cleaner, but will we keep seeing this trend toward the darker and more "realistic" in the New Earth? There's still one issue left so maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing much left to keep this from being a big, big disappointment for the future of DC.
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 17, 2006 11:33:22 GMT -5
awww... the We-Want-Our-Two-Earths Brigade is overanalyzing Infinite Crisis.... again... what can they do to please you? lois didnt die violently, what about her? Didnt earth two diana fly off in her invisible plane?!? yes such graphic content should not be seen. Perhaps this may be the most bloody because it was the last moments of the So Gritty it Could Sand Mount Everest Earth.
oh and it my not have been as bloody, but didnt superman punch the life out of the anti monitor?
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Post by starlord on Apr 17, 2006 15:27:42 GMT -5
I stand corrected, Lois died quietly. But I do think we (the, umm, WWOTEB) have some valid points. Especially the fact that this event is know where near what the original was. Which in itself isn't a bad thing, except that they promoted it as this huge Earth shattering event that would change DC forever. The DC Universe is now the DC Nation. And we haven't seen it. A couple of deaths and more blood and gore. But nothing really huge. Don't promote it as something and not deliver. I think that is a valid issue and worth a friendly discussion. It has absolutley nothing to do with the fact that they weren't smart enough to bring back Earth 2.  ;D |
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 17, 2006 16:50:57 GMT -5
Okay, we can do this freindly. There are huge changes in DC, I don't see how you don't see that. For one thing, Batman knows Joe Chill murdered his parents, Wonder Woman was in the League, and Superman was Superboy. There are all important things, you can't deny that. As for it being earth shattering...  I'd say they delivered TWOfold |
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Post by Brandon on Apr 17, 2006 17:41:42 GMT -5
This is a reenactment, a big nostagalia cash-in, just thankfully better put together than the ridiculous Dark Knight Strikes Back.
clever.
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Post by HoM on Apr 18, 2006 9:51:32 GMT -5
AND NEW EARTH WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN!
wait, what?
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Post by Brandon on Apr 18, 2006 9:57:02 GMT -5
They could just call it "the fourth try".
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Post by Brandon on Apr 19, 2006 20:57:21 GMT -5
This is a reenactment, a big nostagalia cash-in, just thankfully better put together than the ridiculous Dark Knight Strikes Back.
clever.You wiped out my entire post, Ramon. It was long. It had many points. You either totally bungled the quote function or you sabotaged me because you couldn't take the heat. There's no way I can recreate my previous points but maybe a few people were able to read it. I'm not out to ruin this event for anyone, but I am dissatisfied and wanted to express it. Oh well. |
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Post by Dr Dread on Apr 19, 2006 22:00:13 GMT -5
At least he's fighting the urge to abuse his powers. 'Course it doesn't look like his winning that fight.  |
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 19, 2006 23:16:23 GMT -5
oh my god, sorry brandon. i didnt mean to do it! i swear it was an accident i think i hit modify instead of quote. damn, you know i didnt mean it...
basically what was said was that every significant event from crisis on infinite earths is being mimicked poorly in infinite crisis. The death of supergirl is now the death of superboy, pariah and harbinger are now blue beetle and donna troy, (respectively) the hands of creation are now the hands of luthor, speedsters are all popping in and out of the speed force, batman has his outsiders... what else am i missing? it was a really good post that i feel really awful for going over, sorry. it wasnt an abuse of my power or anything like that, i just made a mistake.
that said, you two are right, you are killing me in this debate even with out it....
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Post by Brandon on Apr 20, 2006 6:52:06 GMT -5
It's cool, man. I hit the Modify button on a regular basis but always catch myself and back out. I believe there is a lot of merit to this series and that DC will have a stronger continuity afterwards, I just fear that it is also taking a lesser, more Marvelesque route getting there. (um, sorry Marvel fans ;D ) That said, has anyone noticed the number of "other media" characters showing up? Marvin and Wendy, Livewire, Chloe Sullivan, some of the animated designs like Beast Boy and Bumblebee. Plus, we have the writers from the Flash television show writing that book (come on Barry!) and Paul Dini from the animated shows taking up a Batman book. Anyone notice anything else along these lines? |
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Post by HoM on Apr 20, 2006 7:57:41 GMT -5
Where's Chloe appeared?
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Post by Brandon on Apr 20, 2006 8:10:42 GMT -5
She was in Birthright (the supposedly ahead-of-its-time origin revamp) correct? Or is that bad info?
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Post by HoM on Apr 20, 2006 9:50:58 GMT -5
Could be... Can't remember... Only flicked through it when drinking my frappuchino in Starbucks at Borders... Damn lack of long term memory!
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2006 12:25:39 GMT -5
I really had high hopes for Infinite Crisis, but I gotta go with you guys on this and say this series has not lived up to its potential or hype. The first 2 or 3 issues were pretty exciting, but then the story seemed to lose some focus. They could have done so much with this and in the end, it seems like they just played it safe.
Oh, well. There is still one issue left--- #7 could blow it all out of the water!
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Post by goldk on Apr 20, 2006 13:55:23 GMT -5
anyone else dissatified with the fact that all it took to destroy the giant tuning fork thing was to fling two superboys through it? Just seems like Alex would take better care of his toys, knowwhutimean?
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Post by Lantern Lad on Apr 20, 2006 15:11:22 GMT -5
She was in Birthright (the supposedly ahead-of-its-time origin revamp) correct? Or is that bad info? Yep, bad info... She wasn't in Birthright. She will be appearing soon though according to all sources. They keep referencing the Sullivan bulding in Superman's comics... maybe she owns his building. Oh well... that's OK, DC... I know I had a great idea by bringing her into our continuity. Feel free to copy me, I won't sue!  |
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 20, 2006 18:28:06 GMT -5
its like dueling banjos with these guys:   wow. if it were the other way around i would be tempted to go and buy the lantern one but luckily lee did the GLC. score. |
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Post by Brandon on Apr 20, 2006 19:19:11 GMT -5
A-mazing.
Both are good but I'm really digging the Perez one, if for nothing other than getting to see Batman punch out Black Manta!
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 20, 2006 19:30:20 GMT -5
I KNEW it. manta had that coming.
deathstroke would have dodged hourmans fist.... still though, i give the edge to lee if for nothing else getting to see everyones favorite green lantern Gnort on a cover again. ;D
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Post by Admin on Apr 20, 2006 19:55:32 GMT -5
It's like candy for my eyes...!
The only thing that sucks is both covers really telegraph the events of the last issue, at least to some extent (am I being too picky?)--- although, the Perez cover will come as no surprise to those of us who are reading Manhunter (one of the consistently most entertaining titles DC puts out--- that no one reads).
Anyone else think that starting OYL before IC ended was a blunder? Persoanlly, I don't see the point of the whole strategem (and it's actually worked against them, watering down the impact of the last 2 issues of IC, imo).
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Post by Brandon on Apr 20, 2006 20:35:00 GMT -5
Anyone else think that starting OYL before IC ended was a blunder? Persoanlly, I don't see the point of the whole strategem (and it's actually worked against them, watering down the impact of the last 2 issues of IC, imo). I think so. At first it was interesting and mysterious, but after reading some of the actual books and the changes not being as radical as they originally seemed, it just seems to have deflated the impact of the finale of IC. |
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Post by starlord on Apr 20, 2006 21:24:45 GMT -5
Anyone else think that starting OYL before IC ended was a blunder? Persoanlly, I don't see the point of the whole strategem (and it's actually worked against them, watering down the impact of the last 2 issues of IC, imo). I think so. At first it was interesting and mysterious, but after reading some of the actual books and the changes not being as radical as they originally seemed, it just seems to have deflated the impact of the finale of IC. Agreed. Within the first month and a half we already knew that Bruce was still in the suit, there was only one Earth, and most of the main players are still around. I don't know why they couldn't have held off until the end of the crisis. There's still a couple of good mystery's around: A powerless Clark, who is the Flash, and where does Diana fit into this now, but it still feels kind of anit climatic already. Makes me wonder exactly what 52 is really going to be like. I'm starting to get nervous. |
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Post by brigante133 on Apr 20, 2006 22:36:42 GMT -5
I agree with that, remember how crazy it seemed when there were rumors of more earths, batman in the loony bin, diana in suicide squad, and all that stuff? it was a lot cooler. they really did do amazing in the amazing, but i can admit, its become kind of anti climatic. one new earth? they should have had alex stopped or something before, its practically the same earth still, innit? the one unresolved plotline i think is where is superman prime now that he is all by his lonesome with no more of that little family. meh, hell probably just fly off into the sunset or something lame like that.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Apr 20, 2006 23:53:36 GMT -5
NO... I'm sure he'll sacrifice himself to finally stop Alexander Luthor & Superboy or something. The worlds just not big enough for two Supermen!
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Post by Brandon on Apr 21, 2006 7:04:25 GMT -5
Do you really think they'll kill the first Superman? I know his personanl story is pretty much wrapped up but man, that will be a little wrong. I'd prefer to see him take off to explore the universe or something. But yeah, I bet they off him.
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Post by Lantern Lad on Apr 21, 2006 11:41:20 GMT -5
It would be par for the violent course. Let's just hope he doesn't get his eyes poked out with splattering grey matter.
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Post by starlord on Apr 21, 2006 14:37:59 GMT -5
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I second that!
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Post by Brandon on Apr 27, 2006 8:53:42 GMT -5
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;D
