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Post by HoM on May 25, 2006 3:22:56 GMT -5
the JLA have established that that's WRONG...
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Post by artteach on Jun 21, 2006 0:30:57 GMT -5
Infinite Crisis is more connected to a Zero Hour in it's final effect on DC than the original Crisis. Crisis was a huge step and change for DC. It was bold and all that came after was just an explosion of good stuff. Infinate Crisis tweaked DC a little. I had such great hope for IC to totally change DC. I thought DC would split the earths and run 4 seperate universes.
Earth 1- Grim and Gritty current universe. Earth 2- Old, wiser, kinder universe with a Silver Age feel. Earth 3- Restarted Ultimate DC Universe, the All Star line extended. Earth 4- Timmverse for the children.
I think it would a great business plan allow them to hit every nitch of comic book buyer.
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Post by Brandon on Jun 21, 2006 7:15:31 GMT -5
I was hoping for something bold too, Art. They play up the Multiverse and you know it's Crisis, so when it's a fake-out it becomes difficult not to be disappointed. When you're hoping for a dramatic shift in the DC Universe, and all you get is Lesbian Batwoman, it's a let down. I've actually been buying less books than before.
I read an article somewhere that summarized and talked about Crisis some more and it got me to thinking about the event again. Part of the big problem with the story were the villains I believe. In the first Crisis you have the Anti-Monitor, living embodiment of the Antimatter Universe and evil evil evil! This time we got the afro-less Alexander Luthor and lame ass Superboy Prime. Sure SP was crazy and dangerous, but he was also a bit of a putz. And the fact that Golden Age Superman, the very first superhero(!), was beaten to death by this whiny, ex-superhero nobody was just a travesty. They should have let him die in the first Crisis beating down the Anti-Monitor. THAT would have been a noble death. This? This was just sad.
It's not that I'm so hot after having a Multiverse. I'm telling you, the basic premise never left so it's no big deal. But the symbolism would have been cool to have restored. And with DC baiting the audience with it, I started to think that it could be a really cool and bold opportunity for DC to start a new universe and have the old. Sorta like Marvel 616 and the Ultimate universe. But now we've got a lot of new faces in old masks and with comic prices higher than ever, I just don't feel like getting to know the new guys. I see a few things that look interesting. The revamped Doom Patrol looks rockin'! But a lot of the rest I'm passing on I think.
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Post by chris on Jun 21, 2006 17:48:27 GMT -5
I think over all it was a cool idea but somewhere in the execution it lost all the luster. I think that Dc's efforts to involve "every corner of the universe" made it really hard to follow. With all the extra books to buy surounding the whole event there was no way I was going to buy every tie in. Placing so much of the story in so many of the books was a huge mistake. Then add in the Infinite Crises specials and everything else and it's just ridiculous. I dont believe a new reader could pick up just issues 1-7 and make any kind of sense from the condensed mess they ended up with. On the other hand if you have the time, money and patience to track down spoilers and that sort of thing on the internet it was a decent story.
And qwhile Superboy prime is a whiny bitch I still hope to see him again one day. Leaving him alive in the end is obviously setting it up fpr some point down the road. I jusst hope he doesnt end up being Superman's Hush. The one cool part atleast is that they all know about the multiverse now and you never know maybe it will still make it back somehow. Maybe Superboy could use his continuity punches in ten years to restore everything and turn Batwoman strait.
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Post by Brandon on Jun 21, 2006 18:37:30 GMT -5
I only bought the Infinite Crisis series itself and none of the tie-ins and I followed it okay. But I have the Internet and could pick up all the pieces pretty easily, any kid that wandered into a comic shop and picked up an issue probably would have had a brain explosion sorting it out. It was a very insular and self-referencing event and part of why it didn't do stronger sales than it could have (like CIVIL WAR seems to be doing).
I don't really care if Batwoman is straight or not and I think the continuity revisions actually put the DCU back a little closer to how it was Pre-Crisis. You have the Wildstorm Earth and the Crime Syndicate Earth still out there plus all the other pocket dimensions, parallel realities, etc. from over the years and all the storytelling devices that go along with the Multiverse, it's just not officially called that. No big deal, but it would have been nice to see GA Superman fly off at the end to something resembling his world never to be seen again, and not taken out like a punk by the emotionally retarded Superboy Prime. And I really would rather they leave SP in his prison instead of have him run rampant again in an another excuse to kill off characters. "You're ruining me!" Yes, yes they did.
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Post by chris on Jun 21, 2006 20:18:54 GMT -5
DFont get me wrong Btawoman being gay is fine by me. A lesbian crimefighter in a skintight black costume, thats the stuff dreams are made of. ;D
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Post by artteach on Jun 22, 2006 1:00:06 GMT -5
I think they could have a place and way to please everyone and they just went back to the same old same old. I have noticed they do string things out over too many books and too many series. Identity Crisis and Infinate Crisis both lost impact because they stretched the story out over to many comics. I finished Identity Crisis and just sat thinking of all the major points they left up in the air. Crisis of Infinate Earth can be picked up and read today. YOu can easily understand what is going on and it concludes with a strong ending. THis didn't leave me feeling like recieved an resolution in tghe story.
GA Superman shouild have put the little boy over his knee and broke out a big old keg of butt kick (to keep it rated G).
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Post by giantevilhead on Jul 2, 2006 18:35:58 GMT -5
I was really hoping that the Guardians of the Universe would do more. They're the ones who created the problem in the first place and they've been trying to fix it for billions of years. They made a lot of preparations for the crisis but in the end they really didn't help much.
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Post by Dr Dread on Jul 20, 2006 7:39:02 GMT -5
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